[scrawnybob]

hi GT

interesting post and hand

I can see why your cheesed off with this hand - but

what was the betting action preflop ?

I only ask as there seems to have been 3 of you in the hand to see the flop - did they also call a raise preflop, I cant quite work out as BB seems to be $100 and there was I think you said $400 in the pot before the flop ? which suggests there was no preflop raising ?

if that's the case I think this is where he sneaked in the back door - on the flop alot of players (rather optomisically) would be thinking I have top pair (true) and could catch runner runner for a queen high straight (very fishy optomism) ...

I know you / I and others would be thinking I have top pair with a very weak kicker with a non existant shot at a straight (which if it hits I'm very possibly dead anyway)

I think on the flop he will have thought ...

"you were on the flush draw and he has top pair" - go for it (and see what the turn brings)

you didnt raise preflop ? so unlikely pocket KK or AA - so my QQ is ahead possibily

the biggest problem here is I think the other player when faced with your all-in on the turn may have thought through some or all of the following ...

"my hand has improved - I now have 2 pair (top and bottom) and my chances of a flush have just got better

you were on a flush draw (therefore he is maybe behind) ... but I now have two pair Godamit and that 3 spades is just about the best card I could have hoped for"

I think if any other spade had come down apart from that 3 ... he would have folded but it was just too tempting to keep going ... this IMHO is a big problem when a player gets part way through a hand that they probably should have given up (they're usually aware of that) and then get a card that they can convince themselves has really helped them out of a hole

also I have to be honest - I love a hand where I have made 2 pair and their is potential flush on the board - OK I only have 4 outs to make a full house but if it hits I absolutely know I will get all the chips - if along the way it hasnt been too expensive to keep seeing the next card and things get better along the way - then it can be worth the gamble

so I guess (and I'm often wrong) that he didnt respect you in the hand because there doesnt seem to have been any raising preflop on the hand - most players dont play AA KK very subtly (partly because its safer to play them hard preflop) but following that logic they dont put players on hands if they dont play them in the same way they would (if that makes any sense)

nasty hand for you though

cheers scrawnybob