[scrawnybob]

hi gangland

thats a tough flop for KK and everyone should dread an ace on the flop ...

because if you've raised preflop 4x BB its either

a) likely they have A- suited or similar and got the card they need

b) possible they had AA from the outset

c) making it easy for a good player to represent the ace(s) with a solid bluff putting you on a good but not good enough PP to call

d) making it easy for a bad player to represent the ace(s) with a terrible bluff or just play on regardless with nothing - but putting your stress levels high enough that you cave in

the problem is we all hate d) and particularly hate the idea of player d) robbing us not so much with a good bluff but more your own sense messing with you ... so alot will then call or play on because they fixate on d) and forget likely a) b) or c)

so it defianately depends - this is one of those cases where I would say alot of the time I would lay it down, but sometimes I wouldnt

that said there are a fair few occasions where I've (hopefully) convincingly represented the ace with a far worse pair / good draws etc "feeling" the other player had JJ, QQ or maybe KK
they all shrink when that pesky ace comes on the flop

sometimes its better to try to play small pot poker after the flop if you can - doesnt mean you wont win or loose but you then just turn it into another builder hand rather than making it a turning point hand

hope thats a help
cheers scrawnybob