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Old 05-26-2008, 02:26 AM
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Hi dak,

Thanks for your post and for sharing your hole cards.

This forum provides us all with the opportunity to improve our game through discussion of hands played. Its one thing to talk all day about bad beats but most of the time the other side of the equation is missing. Why did that player do what he did?

As your request is plain, simple and courteous, I most certainly will share the hole cards with you and others as I believe it to be of benefit (maybe not to me).

I'll review the hands and give the details here soon along with my thoughts.

I couldn't remember it immediately, so took a sneak and its .

As for that sitter that suddenly woke up and did this:

Hand T4-68457867-78, Started at 05/25/2008 7:56 PM (GMT+1)
Table 'Petaluma': 200-200 No Limit HE (TournamentChips)
Seat 0: Fosen-King (360 in chips)
Seat 1: DarkRalph12 (2,380 in chips)
Seat 2: errigalx (3,165 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 4: pooLdicA232 (3,860 in chips)
Seat 7: dak_76 (2,280 in chips)
Seat 8: badbeatornot (215 in chips)
Seat 9: NFUTS4 (4,240 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
pooLdicA232 : Post Blind (100)
dak_76 : Post Blind (200)
Dealt to NFUTS4: Ks
Dealt to NFUTS4: Kc
*** Pre-Flop *** :
Dealt to Fosen-King: Qc
Dealt to Fosen-King: Ac
Dealt to NFUTS4: Ks
Dealt to NFUTS4: Kc
badbeatornot : Fold
NFUTS4 : Bet (800)
Fosen-King : Call (360)
Fosen-King : All In (360)
DarkRalph12 : Fold
errigalx : Fold
pooLdicA232 : Fold
dak_76 : Fold
*** Flop *** : 5c 8c 10c
*** Turn *** : [ 5c 8c 10c ] 2h
*** River *** : [ 5c 8c 10c 2h ] 9h
Dealt to Fosen-King: Qc
Dealt to Fosen-King: Ac
Dealt to NFUTS4: Ks
Dealt to NFUTS4: Kc
NFUTS4 : Show Cards
Fosen-King : Show Cards
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 1,460 | Rake: 0
Board: [ 5c 8c 10c 2h 9h ]
Fosen-King bet 360, collected 1,020, net 660 Shows [ Qc Ac ] (a flush, Ace high)
DarkRalph12 lost 0
errigalx lost 0
pooLdicA232 lost 100
dak_76 lost 200
badbeatornot lost 0
NFUTS4 bet 800, collected 440, net -360 Shows [ Ks Kc ] (a pair of Kings)


I'd have called too, but i think it was his third allin in a row. Well i knew he'd do it again and I'll only call with premium hands so:


Hand T4-68457867-80, Started at 05/25/2008 7:57 PM (GMT+1)
Table 'Petaluma': 200-200 No Limit HE (TournamentChips)
Seat 0: Fosen-King (1,320 in chips)
Seat 1: DarkRalph12 (2,380 in chips)
Seat 2: errigalx (3,165 in chips)
Seat 4: pooLdicA232 (3,760 in chips)
Seat 7: dak_76 (1,980 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 8: badbeatornot (15 in chips)
Seat 9: NFUTS4 (3,880 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
badbeatornot : Post Blind (15)
NFUTS4 : Post Blind (200)
Dealt to NFUTS4: Qc
Dealt to NFUTS4: Qd
badbeatornot : All In (15)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
Dealt to Fosen-King: 10d
Dealt to Fosen-King: As
Dealt to badbeatornot: 5d
Dealt to badbeatornot: 4s
Dealt to NFUTS4: Qc
Dealt to NFUTS4: Qd
Fosen-King : Bet (1,320)
Fosen-King : All In (1,320)
DarkRalph12 : Fold
errigalx : Fold
pooLdicA232 : Fold
dak_76 : Fold
NFUTS4 : Call (1,120)
*** Flop *** : Kd 2h 6s
*** Turn *** : [ Kd 2h 6s ] 7h
*** River *** : [ Kd 2h 6s 7h ] 4h
Dealt to Fosen-King: 10d
Dealt to Fosen-King: As
Dealt to badbeatornot: 5d
Dealt to badbeatornot: 4s
Dealt to NFUTS4: Qc
Dealt to NFUTS4: Qd
Fosen-King : Show Cards
badbeatornot : Show Cards
NFUTS4 : Show Cards
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 2,655 | Rake: 0
Board: [ Kd 2h 6s 7h 4h ]
Fosen-King lost 1,320 Shows [ 10d As ] (Ace high)
DarkRalph12 lost 0
errigalx lost 0
pooLdicA232 lost 0
dak_76 lost 0
badbeatornot lost 15 Shows [ 5d 4s ] (a pair of fours)
NFUTS4 bet 1,320, collected 2,655, net 1,335 Shows [ Qc Qd ] (a pair of Queens)


It was so good to get rid. He was becoming a menace.

I'll post up the other hand soon and we'll discuss that.

Thanks again for the post.

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Old 05-26-2008, 08:01 AM
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Well dak got in first, but i grabbed it anyhow.

It was a good game with some luck floating about. A nice win though.

got disconnected with 4 left and the thieves did their stuff and left me with a pittance

I demand a rerun
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:22 PM
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got disconnected with 4 left and the thieves did their stuff and left me with a pittance

I demand a rerun
Are you errigalx?

Shame about the disconnect. I did wonder what happened and it seemed odd for you to sit out at that time. You played a good game.

if you're this player, your usernames have an "Irish" lint to them. Are you from the green isle?
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:44 PM
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Its one thing to talk all day about bad beats but most of the time the other side of the equation is missing. Why did that player do what he did?

As your request is plain, simple and courteous, I most certainly will share the hole cards with you and others as I believe it to be of benefit (maybe not to me).
Totally agree, we should take the 4kings tourneys opportunity and have some depth and shared hand discussions.
Like you said, both sides of the equation are present

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It was so good to get rid. He was becoming a menace
lol soooo good. He was in did becoming a scary problem!

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I'll post up the other hand soon and we'll discuss that
Thanks, that would be great, and discussing that hand with a respectful player like you would be very interesting.
So, looking forward to do it, later maybe, don't have much more time right now to expose my thoughts during that play.

But I checked with intention to push it AI, as I put you on AK, it was a blind board for us both, so we were still playing with our holecards.

Wasn't expecting your 1k bet... 'cause I think you should expect my call or raise...
On the other hand, I'm not seeing you throwing away a HU 1k bet with air, maybe you were ahead...

Anyway, for the record, my intention was to go AI on flop, that board didn't improve our holecards at all...

Also, I played a weird game, don't know exactly what was my image but something near weak-tight maybe

Again thanks for the gg
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:51 PM
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got disconnected with 4 left and the thieves did their stuff and left me with a pittance

I demand a rerun
Sorry about that errigalx, you're doing a good game.

I have to admit, your disconnection was very handy for me, I had position to push it and refuel my short-stack...

Guess I should share my prize with you and yes, a rerun is fair enough

What about pooLdicA232, is he a regular 4kp?
Looked like a bully to me sometimes...
The kind of players who have some problems respecting other players game...
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:46 PM
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Totally agree, we should take the 4kings tourneys opportunity and have some depth and shared hand discussions.
Like you said, both sides of the equation are present

Thanks, that would be great, and discussing that hand with a respectful player like you would be very interesting.
Thanks dak. I hope you find this interesting I did and you're not too mad with me . I reviewed the whole game and here is my view from FT.

You noted my play well in the game.

TAG (Tight Aggressive)

Thats exactly how i played the early stages of the tournament and it definately created the right image. I had all the premium hands (AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,AKs) with AA's twice throughout the game.

It was a strange game and at times it was hard to let some hands go. You kept raising me in the Blinds and everytime I had nothing but I knew i could work this later.

Once the maniac was dealt with, I was much happier and was waiting for the next to go. No real change in game plan except noting the hands I'm getting and some bad action.

Down to four:

Hmmm things are changing. Strange sitout and allin bet from errigalx FOLD,FOLD. Attention is drawn to how I'm going to play this. Action is reasonably fast and I could easily loose it.You raised allin preflop against me (77). I wanted to but bit hard FOLD. I'm starting to get a little rattled.

Down to Three:

OH OH dak has chip lead. I thought you had it here.

My play had to change.

I'm in the money, thats good.
My image is strong thats good.
The action is fast, thats good.
I've seen a lot of big hands, thats not good.
The other players are strong, thats not good.
I've been unfortunate with a few hands, thats not good.
Blinds increasing (M:<5), time to move.

Dealt A9os in SB. You on button rasie 2BB.
I reraise hoping darkRalph with fold.
OMG, He rereaises. You fold.

Pot: 7,595

Read on Ralph: Big Pair

I'm a 70-30 dog to pair TT-KK, a huge 95-5 dog to AA,

I don't like the postiton I'm left in if i fold, the pot is giving me roughly 4 to 1 to call. I'll take plunge and go for a swim.

Oops my read was good. Opps it Not the ones I wanted to see.
I don't believe it.
DR's AA's cracked

I did apologise to DarkRalph and I'll do so again. You played well and didn't deserve for me to hit trips.

Down to 2:

Dak_76 and myself.

The position is rosier now but a lot is against me.
Will my hands continue?
Will my luck continue?
Will my opponent continue that aggression?
Is the 3/2 chip lead enough here to sit and see a few pots cheaply?

I really didn't like my position despite the lead and wasn't longing for a long extended game nor did I expect that it would be one. I had to make another move to increase my lead and about all I had going for me was my image.

This leads to the hand in question.

After a bit of chopping the blinds this hand came:

Hand T4-68457867-134, Started at 05/25/2008 8:33 PM (GMT+1)
Table 'Petaluma': 600-600 No Limit HE (TournamentChips)
Seat 7: dak_76 (6,880 in chips)
Seat 9: NFUTS4 (9,620 in chips) (on the button)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
NFUTS4 : Post Blind (300)
dak_76 : Post Blind (600)
Dealt to NFUTS4: 5h
Dealt to NFUTS4: Qh
*** Pre-Flop *** :
NFUTS4 : Bet (900)
dak_76 : Raise (2,000)


Now there's 2 choices for me here.

1) Get the hell out.
2) Play. This I like when I'm in the mood and in position. Its not that much more to call and my opponent certainly has a hand and will make reading the flop easy. I didn't think about it too long. I'll call and see a flop. Its easy to play after the flop. I'll either hit a monster, flop a draw or toss it.

NFUTS4 : Call (1,400)
*** Flop *** : 3s 8d 3d
dak_76 : Check

Where are we here. You obviously didn't like my call and that flop or you have a big pair and waiting for the check raise. I thought you might have AK or similar but would have expected the continuation bet on the flop with those hands. To find out exactly where you were with it I decided to bet. Would my image hold? I chose $1k for two reasons:

1) If you didn't like my call and are on big ace you might fold to a bet, and a smaller bet given my image would scare you more than a big one.
2) If i make that bet, I only need a 25% that you'll fold to make it profitable.

I'm not at a huge loss and actually like my postion if I fold after a reraise from you or get called and dump. I'll be behind and we can play the aggressive game again.

NFUTS4 : Bet (1,000)
dak_76 : Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 6,200 | Rake: 0
Board: [ 3s 8d 3d ]
dak_76 lost 2,600
NFUTS4 bet 3,600, collected 6,200, net 2,600


I couldn't believe it when you folded.

You were the aggressor preflop, why didn't you continue after the flop?
Remember all the blinds you stole from me?
I did. I guess when you raised this time and I called it was in your mind too.

Your image wasn't one showing weakness up until we were heads up.
Then i got the sense you were more happy to play a longer HU game before this hand came and I certainly didn't want that. Your reraise in my opinion was a little small, it made the pot more welcoming to me. If you had raised 3-4X my bet I gotta fold without a big pair.

Yes, I agree that hand was pivotal, and I would probably have gone with your move with the draw in the last hand also.

An enjoyable game, if a little frantic, and lucky.

Not all of the above was ascertained at the table but only with some hindsight. Play at the table sometimes has to be instinctive, only later can you ascertain the reasons why you did what you did. Thanks to you dak_76 for requesting the hand. I hope that the knowledge of my cards will help with your game.

Congrats on the cash out too.

Oh and the rematch? Sweet

P.S. Did you note the flop on this hand Dak and the board in the last hand? [383] Weird?
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:55 AM
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Are you errigalx?

Shame about the disconnect. I did wonder what happened and it seemed odd for you to sit out at that time. You played a good game.

if you're this player, your usernames have an "Irish" lint to them. Are you from the green isle?

hi NF ,from Co. Donegal.Usernames are local mountains the like of which are preventing me from getting an acceptable internet signal.

Well played for your win.
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hi all

thanks to those members that posted up results - really really helpful and much appreciated

I've just got back from a very wet long weekend camping on a music course for the kid - so now I'm dry and the washing machine is overloaded with wet n dirty camping gear - I can get back into work

on the hand discussion front - its a really great idea to discuss our tournament / league games as I think we can all benifit from discussing flaws and holes in our games others may spot and care to mention

not sure where the best spot is for this as we havent got a specific section (might be worth one) but I'd suggest maybe poker chat as an interim home for them

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on the hand discussion front - its a really great idea to discuss our tournament / league games as I think we can all benifit from discussing flaws and holes in our games others may spot and care to mention

not sure where the best spot is for this as we havent got a specific section (might be worth one) but I'd suggest maybe poker chat as an interim home for them

cheers scrawnybob
Hi Bob,

Lovely, damp, muddy musty clothing. Glad its not me.

Thanks for the comments regarding the hand discussions. I was of the mind to have a thread for it myself, but wasn't sure of the interest so continued here. I would like to see this develop as it benefits us all.

Ok, I've decided to repost the hand discussion to its own thread in poker chat. It can be found here:

NON US League II Hand discussions.

Please continue the discussion in this thread if you have any comments. TY
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hi NF ,from Co. Donegal.Usernames are local mountains the like of which are preventing me from getting an acceptable internet signal.

Well played for your win.

Cheers,

I got the mountains link. Nice region, I'm in Belfast myself, not as beautiful as Donegal but....

I fish (not at poker table) quite a bit in Donegal which is superb at times, but its really the atmosphere, tranquility and hospitality that draws me there. I envy you having this on your doorstep.

Are you using satellite broadband? Interested in your experiences with that if you are?

Thanks for your reply and GL at the tables.
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