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[LombardiStix]

I definitely understand the logic of including the less active players. And of course it would be great to give them an opportunity to become more involved by giving them a team to play "for". It just seemed unfair to a team who tried weekly to contend with the best poker players of the forum and scrap points together to win, and then the players who never actually played in a game to share in the prizes.

I'm fairly certain neither the new members nor the removed members had scored any points so there is no adjustment to be made on that level. The members were removed because they hadn't participated in a game yet and/or they pmed me letting me know they wouldn't be able to participate in any. No one was removed without repeated attempts to contact over a period of several weeks. I will perform changes when you decide what is to be done and I apologize for the mess...

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

I definitely understand the logic of including the less active players. And of course it would be great to give them an opportunity to become more involved by giving them a team to play "for". It just seemed unfair to a team who tried weekly to contend with the best poker players of the forum and scrap points together to win, and then the players who never actually played in a game to share in the prizes.

I agree but if players haven't turned in for the games the predicted likelyhood of them turrning in for the game which effectively is the prize is minimal.

This has been the first throw of this for all of us. I've seen things that I expected and others I didn't.

I'm fairly certain neither the new members nor the removed members had scored any points so there is no adjustment to be made on that level. The members were removed because they hadn't participated in a game yet and/or they pmed me letting me know they wouldn't be able to participate in any. No one was removed without repeated attempts to contact over a period of several weeks. I will perform changes when you decide what is to be done and I apologize for the mess...

From my sheets only one. '1 N ONLY BELOU1' scored on the second week in the PS v FT league.

I understand the difficulties in contacting members at times.

My suggestion:

The above member stays as does his score. All the latest additions stay and can score in future games. This means no further members can be added until next series, that you and your team are not penalised by having less members, for what was a genuine mistake, the scoring player has his rights upheld.

I as a leader of a team don't have a problem with this outcome, given the circumstances, but its important that it receives support from the majority. Hopefully we'll have a swift, amicable resolution to this issue.

If team leaders could express their views on the above.

cheers NF4.

[kingjames07]

sounds ok to me.....i trust futs and bob and the decisions they make on how to handle the situation

[jeffsbabe]

I agree with KJ. What ever you guys decide is okay with me. I have atleast half of my team that never participates. If I head up a team next seson I will be more selective in choosing members that will be active in play and in the forum. As we all knew in the beginning, this is a learning experience. See you at the tables!

[LombardiStix]

If this is the will of Bob I will invite bel back in our final spot. I appreciate the cooperation of the team leaders. I did not do this intending to break the rules or anything. Thanks again.

Stix

[scrawnybob]

hi all

short answer is go with NK suggestion for sorting the current scoring thing ;-)

yep I think the best way to sum up the first series of team only and team in regular leagues is ...

that its a big learning experience for everyone ... and thats really no suprise

in fairness we could have had alot more problems up to this point so its not going so bad considering

As your probably aware - I do all the scoring / league points for the regular games and the Team play trophy and combinign up the team scores for the team only trophy

however NK has been doing a stirling job of extracting the team scoring for the regular leagues from my individual members scores and leaderboard ... and also checking / spotting my mistakes in the TPT leaderboard etc ... thanks again for the NK

without NK in fairness you'd all be pitching in the dark a bit as I dont think I'd have been able to do weekly running results for teams (just a final and midway result)

anyway - I think NK's suggestion makes the most sense on this one - so if jokers can sort what needs to be sorted accordingly that would be great

in terms of the next league - I definately want to see the teams split out ... seems a bit cruel as I know there has been bonding etc but I think this will probably only have to be done once so while a pain it will be worth it ...

suggestion is ...

split all teams that have members into new teams ... with either a 5 or a 10 member start from the existing members

which will require 2 or 4 people from each team to step up to the bar and create new teams

the leadership duties are pretty much as much or as little as anyone wants to make of them

we can do this the hopeful way in the one week between leagues and I can help leaders to coral members into teams ... or we could open teams up beforehand and have members tempory in two teams ie. the active scoring one & the new season 5 / 10 player one ???

NK let me know if that would cause probs with your scoring for current league ??

the advantage of doing it running up to the new league over a few weeks is time for people to get organised

with inactive teams like maybe 1/2 the ladies team - its a bit of a debate on whether teams can keep the good half of a team and bundle the others into a new one (as this is just creating the same problem again ... I'm hoping ideally we can have ...

such good friendly rivalry that we can find teams will either (assume current 20 in team with only 10 active)

1 new leader will take 4 more active players + 5 inactive into one new team (10)
and then build up again to 20)

or

2 new leaders will take 2 more active players + 2 inactive into forming 2 new teams (5 each) and then build up to 20

the thing about this is that we need to decide on the rules for the changes so they are clear and fair ... otherwise if ONE team or a couple of teams screws it up keeping the best players and bailing the others rather than creating 2 or more mixed teams - then it will be the same problem each time

obviously AFAIKS the lower I make the size of the new teams (using current players) the more chance of a fair start there is ...

if we have teams that have only 5 in it maybe we finish the next season with only teams with 10ish ... but we can always jiggle the winning tournament or something to include 1st and 2nd teams

open to suggestions ;-)

cheers scrawnybob

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

HI,

all is updated my end. The team structure (19) players in Joker Faces is locked for the rest of series and will include the unlisted member '1 N ONLY BELOU' which makes your total 20. LS if there are any new members added which have previously scored points in any of the games give me a pointer if I missed them.

Yes its been a steep learning curve at times

I found the post re the discussions re team locking at 20 members and for clarity I include a link

Re the upcoming series and teams.

There is much in your post and I wouldn't want to disclose my intentions too early. It would be interesting to hear from people who might/may be willing to take up the gauntlet and start a new team. IMHO leadership of a team is what you want to make of it, the admin is minimal.

Thanks re the team scores. I would have been doing it for myself anyways, and the time it takes to add a few scores each time to the table/image is minimal. I suppose there are advantages and disadvantages in having such frequent updates, much as if you focus on your own results/bankroll in games that you play. My thinking was that it would stir a little more interest/excitement.

I agree it needs discussed before it begins. No it won't affect the scoring in this series, maybe a list of the movements of players is all that is required on that front ie FUTS to LADIES from WARRIORS, thought not essential.

cheers,

NF4.

[LombardiStix]

I invited 1 n only back onto the team.

I like the idea of getting less active members involved with a team to help them become more active, but we all know there are players that sign up and don't ever participate. Will this be addressed at all? I think my plan will make it less of a factor.

If we keep the number of members per team down to 10 or so, even if half of your team is a no show each team can still hang in points. (that didnt come out very clear) I mean it would be harder to build up an insurmountable lead if you have few players per team, making the league itself more competitive. So my suggestion would be a 10-15 member team with NO MORE than 5 original members playing together. If you want to spread the love around...

Instead of doing all out registration early we could set up just the original split off's for next season.

I would like to bring more than five with me though... lol


Was it decided to keep the TPT league as the ONLY team play league next season? I feel like if team play was reduced to one or two leagues it would cut down on the negative attitudes as a whole.

[scrawnybob]

hi

I guess some of the thread will need to be moved to a new season discussion but I thought I'd pick up on some of the ideas and give a bit of my feedback / ideas also - I ramble on these so sorry in advance ...

re: next season

team sizes ... I have to try and balance the total possible number of players who will sign up to a team considering the total number of players currently playing

IMHO the best thing to do is to split all the teams into 2 teams of 10 (and build from there)

The teams I am caretakering were not made to be competitive (ie my teams have been adhoc all comers teams) so I would suggest that maybe we could have those members have a chance to join other teams that get formed - topping up the 10 members from the splits

TPT + team scoring in regular leagues ... I'm not inclined to throw the baby out with the bath water so my current suggestion / thinking on this is to remove team scoring from US Open League IV & Non US League IV but keep it for the FTvPS league

and obviously run the TPT II at Carbon again as the team only league


start new teams now (non scoring) v panic in week between ... Knowing how many times I have to send info on things before we get even close to everyone reading it or following things (like password requirements / how to signup for teams / US password only option in profiles etc ... leaving the changes until the week between leagues is a 100% guarantee of disaster IMHO

so two solutions -

we / team leaders co-ordinate who are going to be the new team leaders and have it all sorted off the forum but on paper - who is going to be who / what / where and then do it between us in the week but having it fixed up before hand (and posted in forum between us or on team leaders social group

or we start to make duplicate and additional groups visible and get the right members in the right places and can sort out problems as we / leaders see them

option one is less visible but still requires co-operation and feedback / volunteers to lead new groups etc

option two is visible so we can see how things are going but is also going to need more common sense in terms of not approving members who want to join current league just to take part (I dont want them missing out as from experience you only get one crack at doing the right thing by a member before they loose interest and they feel unloved)

summary ...

IMHO at this point I need to have as many names of players in current teams who would be happy to head up new teams ... we can go from there ... the admin is minimal (zero) as I post the passwords in all groups that are eligible ... so really its up to the leader if they want to motivate their team as much or as little as they want to ... other than that just approving members one way or another in a timely manner (so we dont loose members never getting onto a team quickly)

so if your up for leading then let me know - if your a current team leader and have some suggestions on how you want to split your team then do this also - just consider why we are doing this - so DONT take your 10 active players for yourself and leave another leader with 10 inactive

you know who has done what - IMHO this is a great opportunity to develop the team league angle in a positive way ... maybe some friendly rivalry between two of the teams most active members step up to the rail and you pick like football at school - one for me - one for you

hopefully the members will be ok with all this - as its important to try and keep everyone happy - but also to get everyone more involved

cheers scrawnybob