Fixing the Team Play Errors

[LombardiStix]

What are the main problems we are having with the current Team Play Team leagues? And if you have solutions to offer, that would be GREAT.

I figured this would be a good place to open discussion to the forum. We have talked about solutions in scattered places throughout the forum, but I want to make it available for everyone and more in a more understandable platform.

[scrawnybob]

hi Stix

I've sent you a PM as well - but I'd intended to move my previous post in the joker faces thread into a new one - but this will do ;-)

there are several issues that need fixing or "improving" for the team play in leagues and in the team only league

primarily because the orginal objective / purpose of setting up the teams idea got overlooked virtually straight away - this was kind of inevitable once the original spirit of the idea got lost that everyone would plan and organise their team in the same way ... so its not really anyones fault

but I wish people had really read and understood the original idea was to create teams to get more and more people in the forum involved, have a bit of friendly rivalry and encourage more of the less active members to get more active ...

I'd hoped that more of the 25+ posting members instead of just joining the most competitive looking teams would have setup their own rival teams ...

really I prefer "guildelines" in the hope that people would get what it was about and do things in that spirit rather than a dictat

It was somewhere in the original rules ... no more than three 25+ posting members per team

there was some flexibility in that I wouldnt have said x team cant have 4 etc - but most of the bigger teams seem to have near 100%

if the original guidelines had been followed properly in the first place we would have ended up with alot more (smaller) teams with at the outset smaller number of members but with good room to attract in those 10+ posting members who would have found it easy to have a wide choice of teams to join ... and got more teams up to 20 or 10

it would have meant the teams would have be more even, more fair & more appealing to join if you werent part of what seems to be percieved "the in crowd"

and most probably we wouldnt be trying to solve the problem now

we have 800+ ten post members (ok alot are not always active but these are the members we should be hoping to get involved in team only league and team play in some other leagues (subject to adjustments)

the other issue(s) was around behaviour in games, on the forum & off the forum in PM's etc that was getting out of hand - and on forum stuff probably didnt really reflect all the true situations ... but that hopefully is now sorted and we can all move on

also the issue of how team play / team scoring affects the regular league games and non team players - ie. soft play and banter generally in games

thats the preamble - I'll post up my suggestions for solutions below ...

In fairness as I said earlier its not really even a change of the rules more an enforcement of the rules ... ie. teams cant have so many 25+ posting members ... so whether members look at it as me dictating that teams have to split into x number or however ... its really only trying to get back to how things were originally planned and "gudelined"

cheers scrawnybob

[scrawnybob]

hi again

this is my suggested solution ...

(with the now obvious solution suggested by NK on how to do it practially without hickups)

we need more teams to split the competitive players /active players so that the league can grow and get more members involved -

the easiest way is to say that all the teams that have regular scoring members / 25+ posting active members need to split into 2 or more teams with one or two new team leaders stepping up to the mark from each team

common sense suggests that just firing off your 10 less active players into one other team ... WILL NOT WASH as this is just creating the same problem as before over again

now I'm all for doing things the laid back "guideline way" and then seeing if before the start of the next season this looks to have worked and then do it the "rules" way as a last resort

so following NK's suggestion that we can setup new teams for the SEASON II and tempory name the new teams

"xyz team (season II)"

then I can go through all of them at the start of next season and take our the "(season II)" bit

(NK your a genius BTW)

(also the members of my caretaker teams need leaders - which is probably best done if some new leaders take the names and add (season II) and then send out / accept invites from those members that want to stay in same teams - and also have the option of joining a different new team for the new season

this means that new team leaders can setup next seasons new teams and invite members / get members into their teams ... also if existing team leaders want to make things easier if they could also do the same ... that way everyone can see how the new teams are working out ... and then we can delete off the old teams at the ned of this season ideally we then have

so ideally

a) the current teams not to be edited

b) currently leaders setup new same name team with "(season II)" ending

and have a maximim of 5 or 10 members (needs agreeing) from the old team (ie. not all cherry picked we could say 10 ... or if cherry picked then 5 ... and then have 5 additional less active from the original team and then room to build all teams up to 20 again)

c) new leaders are found in teams - and setup new teams with "(season II)" ending
either by voluteering or encouragment from other team members ... ie. look at this as a chance to prove your half of the team could beat the other, and you can turn your new team recuits into a better team than the old one ... obiously in a friendly rivalry way ;-)

this will mean during the current season existing team members will be in two teams - a current and a season II team - this is fine as it wont affect the scoring

really the best thing is if we can start to see some new leaders setting up teams ASAP then we can start to get invites out and members can request to join new teams - that way its all a bit more visible and existing leaders and new leaders can get an idea how they can co-operate to make things grow and not stagnate into a fixed thing

the crucial thing here is that IF done properly this could all be done ONCE and not be a season by season thing - we need to have places for people to join in teams and new teams being setup ...

also I dont see a problem if members that havent got 25+ posts setting up teams as long as they understand the password wont be posted by me in the groups that have less than 5 members until they have become a proper 5+ member team)

This all relies on the current leaders motivating another couple of their members to get down with the idea and setup new teams - as I would rather this get sorted kind of organically rather than me dictating xy & z

hope that makes sense - feedback as always

cheers scrawnybob

[kingjames07]

this is a rough decision...i don't wanna offend somebody that is currently on the team and not picked for the next league...and there are a handfull of members that haven't even played....but until i put more thought into it the pick like 5 active and 5 less active members for the next team sounds like the best solution....the thought has even crossed my mind to disolve the whole team unless another member wants to do something with it....and me step down as a team capitan all together...and wait and see if i am picked for another team....as some other members of the team may want to do also....those are my thoughts for now.....im sick as hell and dont feel like thinking anymore at the moment....lol

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

I guess everyone is pretty much in the same boat here KJ.

There is much to consider in SB's posts, and if we take his wishes seriously then some difficult decisions have to be made. I would have preferred to see it happen organically but I think it needs a kickstart. I have taken the time to consider most angles and I'll set my stall out here and explain why. It maybe criticised, or disliked but its a start, and in my mind a fair one considering, maybe it could even be a benchmark...you'll decide that.



To me a team needs to be balanced.

my 2 cents:

20 players in 4x 5 groups

1) A core.. not all the best a mixture of friends, skilled players, good posters, and the diehards. This group could include one or 2 strong/average members from another team


2) A group of 5 people on the forum who haven't played in the team structure at all and are over 10+ quality posts.

3) A group of 5 people that ARE going to come to the forum between now and when the new series begins.

4) A group of 5 people that have played before in the team series and are hopefully going to be asked to move teams and start teams but who will need a resting place if all else fails. This group could include one or 2 strong/average members from another team

As far as my own team goes.

The Warriors 20 Members

Member ... Total Points ... Post Count

Arjonius ... 0 ... 54
dak76 ... 11 ... 80
DarkRalph ... 39 ... 18
dooish ... 10 ... 114
dreams3 ... 0 ... 55
drkneenie ... 29 ... 12
ennotserp ... 39 ... 62
hojediade ... 7 ... 66
Laceypearls ... 3 ... 101
leet222 ... 5 ... 13
mafalda34... 0 ... 638
Monkeydluffy02 ... 0 ... 16
mvelas ... 0 ... 20
nb1961 ... 32 ... 74
nightmoves44 ... 0 ... 88
NUCKING_FUTS_4 ... 92 ... 518
Poker Orifice ... 24 ... 68
rovinato ... 9 ... 25
silensousa ... 0 ... 13
xxAAKKxx ... 20 ... 18

Those in Black type are the people I would ask to seriously considering starting a team or lifting one of scrawnybob's teams but you also fit into group 4 above and places on my team will be there if all else fails.

Those in blue are the people who I would asked to join other teams or group together in twos and lift scrawnybob's teams or start your own but you also fit into group 4 above and places on my team will be there if all else fails.

Those in green, you are all invited to be core of the warriors team in the next series as you all collectively embody the spirit of the team idea.

Skill, commitment, learning, friendship, fairness.

Apologies if I upset, annoy or am misinterpreted its about as balanced as I can get it.

Cheers

NF4

Over 2 you...

[jeffsbabe]

Well, my 2 cents worth.

I think we should desolve all teams and start from scratch. I personally don't want to head up another team. I would just rather play on someone else's.

I know the whole point of this team thing was to get more active posters, but I really don't see that happening. There are some people that haven't even been back to the forum since they signed up for my team. Nor have they played any games.

There are also some people that play every game, but never post.

I also think that the team only game should be the only one to earn points as a team. It would make things a lot simpler and it would eliminate "outsiders" feeling left out.

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

Suggestion to the above..

Dissolve the ladies team and have them separate into all teams. Ladies like to talk, and men left ot their own devices generally don't. That might improve the points that annoy you the most.

I'd be more than happy to have you on the warriors JB

We'd have lots to talk about

[jacks_off4me]

I also think that the team only game should be the only one to earn points as a team.

i agree with you jeffsbabe. without the embaressment.

the guys will work something out i have no doubt

[scrawnybob]

hi all

phew - great to see some feedback coming in from leaders and team players ... i was beginning to feel a bit lonely ;-)

as I dont like making decisions without some discussion (even if I then do something that isnt a total agreement thing) - its good to see it getting discussed

with the mix of feedback on all areas and all with very valid points ...

one concern is that we end up with less leaders - but by the same token I dont see the merit in team leaders who would rather not be feeling stuck either

maybe the simplest and best suggestion has come out of this ... to treat this first series as a good experiment and a big learning curve ... and just setup up a whole new set of teams for the second series ....

In fact I like this idea the best as its sets a whole clear clean agenda and cleansheet for everyone ...

The most important things is for us all to take on board why they first attemt wasnt entirely successful ... and I can take alot of the blame for that

but maybe the best thing is for those that want to setup teams for the second season set them up

and we decide which leagues will or wont have team factor in them - personally I think it should be dropped at least for the US Open & Non US leagues ...

possibly keeping team angle in FTvPS league ... and obviously for the team only league at carbon

I would be good to get some feedback on which leagues to definately drop team angle and which to keep ... some or none obviously with team only league as a given

I dont know how many of NK's team will be up for his specific team suggestions ? or how many its been suggested to

the other thing that needs some thought is team size ... we could possibly solve alot of the issues by just saying the team size is a max of 10 (not the current 20) and then juts open the floor and new teams out to everyone ... with no team leader 25+ post requirements and have a new free for all ... with the 10 player max this is less likely to lead to uber teams ... or at even if it did we would have hopefully twice the teams so more even competition ????

cheers scrawnybob

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

I had considered dropping the team too but if we all did that... I would prefer just to play also.

Re the leagues. If its TPT games at only one site, thats very limiting to a broad range of players, just as if its all buyins also.

My thoughts have been suggested to all that have read the above post.

Majority rules I guess.

Anyone got room for a paid operative on their team?

We could start negotiations on terms and salary right away

C.V.

Top overall individual recorded scorer so far in Series III (101 points)
Leading NON US Leagues Series III (45 points)
Only recorded team player to score every week so far in Series III. (8 Weeks)