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    Default Is this a bad beat??

    Heads up tournament. Blinds at 10/20.

    Me (Button) with 2300 behind the line 88 raise to 60.
    Him (BB) with 670 behind the line and pushes all-in.
    I call and he flips up A6.

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    well, u were 70/30 favorite, but I would hardly call it a bad beat

    I'm part of the "best five cards" win crowd, and a bad beat happens at the quad level.

    Pushing A rag while SS in HU is pretty standard. So I wouldn't even call it a suck-out

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    Personally, I don't think so.

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    Yeah, it was a bad beat, and a tough call that you made there. Even though it was a bad beat, that was a hand that you should have folded. There really was no need to call an additional 700 or so with the blinds at 10-20. That's 35 big blinds at that level in the early stages of a tournament. How did you fare in the tournament?
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    Quote Originally Posted by willie beaman View Post
    Yeah, it was a bad beat, and a tough call that you made there. Even though it was a bad beat, that was a hand that you should have folded. There really was no need to call an additional 700 or so with the blinds at 10-20. That's 35 big blinds at that level in the early stages of a tournament. How did you fare in the tournament?
    I disagree with Willie, I would call with 88.

    You have a 4:1 chip lead and are likely to be at least 50% to end the game immed.

    As it happens you are 70%!

    Its not really a bad beat, just unlucky.

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    It is a bad beat, and I probably would have called. A pocket pair in heads up is always a good bet, unless he had been playing tight and lost those chips to you by taking bad beats.
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    i would classify that as a beat or outdraw. i call a 2 or 3 outer a bad beat. everyone plays different but i would have folded the 88 anyway. i would have expected 2 overs and not willing to risk that amount of chips in a coin flip at that early stage in a tournament. you were unlucky to lose the hand but lucky to be a 70% favorite when you called.
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    I can't believe it, but I have to agree with illlll here. Even heads up and an opportunity to knock him out, I don't see calling here. Best case I would have figured a coin-flip. But, you ended up preflop in better shape. Unfortunately the next two cards count.
    Last edited by tbdbitl; 07-15-2009 at 10:15 PM.
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    I ended up winning, just took longer. And he had been playing ultra-aggressive, and I was playing pretty tight that is how I got the chip lead in the early blind structure.

    A6 off-suit vs. 88 -- wouldn't you pretty much consider that a 3-outer?

    Thanks for all the thoughts, I really enjoy the different perspectives.

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    General rule pocket 88 or better is a good call = just my opinion because you are better than half the deck , hopefully they hold
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