Bigger stack in ring games.

[AG_allin91]

I always had my doubt about bigger stacks in ring games.

I'm playing at a 0.25 / 0.50 c game on stars with 25$ buy in (pokerstars).
I like to play with a lot of shorstacks bc I don't like ring games and I don;t want to risk to much. So i double up 15 min in.

I decide to try the ''shortstack never wins'' theory. I get J 9 suited. raise to 1.75$...9$ shortstack moves...i would never make this call...ever. But Ive been reading pple on this blog complaining about shortstacks ...i called ( i put him on A Q/AK). AK shows and i end up winning. 5 hands later, another shorstack...i raiised with Q J suited same thing. Same scenarion that AK that pple cant play. i hit again!

I called for experimental reasons only but I found this very bizarre. I wasn't even happy, it just made me rlly question about what is being said. I know I could have gotten lucky, but the fact that i called under false pretences feeling that the site was gonna give it to me bc i had more chips and that I actually won made me question even more.

I take in consideration that they probably overrated AK, than again who knows.

Anyone else try this bigstack thing out, very suspicious.

[Alnoble]

If you think about it AK against any other 2 different cards has exatly the same number of outs as the other 2 cards. AK is only A high and any pair beats it. So you calling put you only slightly behind almost a coin toss.

Your cards might fall better for hitting a straight.

Your experiment might need to be repeated to see if you win against other big hands. To me AK of suit is not as good as many think.

[illphillllllll]

beating AK with J9 is far from winning as a big underdog, its closer to a race than a big outdraw. to prove that the bigstack always wins i would like to see some 44 over QQ hands or some A6 over AK hands. i dont think getting your money in that bad will be worth testing out the theory because your probably gonna go broke in these situations.

[kingmotan]

OP U SUCK AT POKER! bUT DON'T give up! Keep depositing and apply ur little theories , I'm sure u'll get there....

[AG_allin91]

tx king motan, appreciated comment.

But what im wondering is that when u have a decent amount of chips more than your opponent, youll end up winning a lot more coin flips than you actually should.
Maybe not the 44 against QQ but overpair against overpair will win a lot more times than it should for the chip leader.

Let me know whoever keeps track if this can actually be true.

gl in sunday million tmr, peace AG_allin91

[scrawnybob]

hi

the answer is simple - dont believe or set any store by any rigged posts

they are ALL crap based on a few hands and selective memory - I could say I always win when the handle on my coffee cup faces north on Tuesdays ...

it has about as much statistical basis

as someone pointed out AK against another connected cards its pretty much as race - AK v JQ etc
ok if the board helps no one then AK wins but there is as much chance of JQ hitting as AK

getting into a coinflip on 2 hands going in with marginally weaker hands because your not the short stack and winning doesnt prove some doom switch theory - dont believe them

you really need 1000's of HH to prove or disprove anything - as has been said before most how have these find things are pretty close to statistical expectation of probabilities

cheers scrawnybob

[Limey777]

I decide to try the ''shortstack never wins'' theory.

Never heard of that one, but I can tell you from personal experience there's no truth to it. I'd put your results down to just being lucky and scrap that theory/stratagy.
Personally I like to stand on my head and circle my left leg around in an anti-clockwise direction whilst min-raising (had plenty of success using this one)

Think about it, if they never win then why are there so many of the vermin

Here's another piece of advice, don't take Hydrocodones and then try to multi-table online like I did tonight. I've never had disconnects actually save me money before.

[PLAYFUL1]

YES PLAYFUL AGREES THAT AK IS VERY OVER RATED BUTT IF YOU R THE CHIP LEADER(CASH LEADER) U CAN BULLY THE SHORTSTACKS AND IF U CHASE DRAWS YOU WILL CATCH 90%..BECAUSE ALL GAMING SITES ARE STRUCTURED TO KEEP THE GAME MOVING ALONG AND REWARDING USUALLY THE WORST HAMD PLAYED BY THE CHIP-CASH LEADER AT THAT TABLE

[AG_allin91]

I dont know what to think anymore lol. But when i have a shortstack moving, and i feel i have a coin flip, I'm now more prone to calling. I call under false pretences basically knowing I have the worst hand, I guess I'm becoming a worse player every day lolll.

[scrawnybob]

hi

that really isnt such a bad move anyway

granted you should NOT make a habit of calling with coin flip hands - but your not such a massive underdog either to those AK type hands

you have the opportunity to take out another player from the tournament with a measurable risk ... ie. the short stack can / has only gone all-in

their range of hands will invariably be wider so in a sense it can be worth the gamble

however be careful not to call on such a draw if there is the chance someone in later position with more chips than you could 3 / 4 bet you ... that will almost certainly force you to fold

however you can justify 3/4 betting another player who has called the all-in of the short stack and indeed this is a good play and can be very +EV with a broad range of hands + the fold equity of the bluff / semi bluff

cheers scrawnybob