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    Just because players lose hands to anything except the absolute nuts (which is impossible), they think they have suffered a bad beat, blaming other "donks", the poker sites, and anything else they can think of.
    Maybe if you have the best hand pre-flop, flop, or turn, but it is not the absolute nuts, then can it really be considered a bad beat. eg. AA pre-flop, nut trips, straights, flushes (and others) on the flop or turn, may all at times be beat on the river by a bigger hand. Possibly these may be considered bad beats.
    But if you say that you went all-in with 99 against 44, and villain rivered a 4, then you are just simply whining, and these should not even be considered as a bad beat. Also, before posting in this section, look at the hand history and maybe you just simply made a mistake.
    It is simply called gambling, and you can't win every hand you play, so why bother posting those which you lose because of "donks", the poker sites, and anything else you can think of. You might get more satisfaction by posting the hand in the hand analysis thread (provided you think it was really a bad beat).

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    IMO most bad beats are the result of bad play wnether it be by you or "the villain"
    In response to your post though i it is a lot easier to remember the times you get beat rather than the times you win when you hit the "miracle" 2 outer
    Its always better to celebrate the good days than brood over the bad days

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    To your question there is just a simple answer- inexperience
    It's really frustrating when reading a post like that or even listening to a friend whine about how he lost with KK.

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    But if you say that you went all-in with 99 against 44, and villain rivered a 4, then you are just simply whining
    I have to disagree, looks like a bad beat to me but unfortunately it's a common as muck one so it couldn't make for a good read.

    Why so many? Players need to blow of steam, I know I do!!! When the donks are running hot all I can do is hit the forums because if I don't I'm going to blow my roll all over the tables in a big hissy fit of tiltiness.

    The bad beats that send me over the top are not the donk callers, perfect example 2hrs ago. I flop nut str8 with nut fl draw, bet pot. Turn gives me nut flush, I push get called and his trips turn into quads on the river. He had a good hand but made a dumb call and appears to be a horrible player who can only win against me, I'd like to see how long his luck holds out. Did that tilt me? No.

    It's the idiot draw betters, the super lags, the if you bet it, it will come donks. They drive me up the wall. The strategy appears to be, raise preflop, bet flop, bet turn, got the nuts on the river. Should somebody bet before they get the chance then that calls for a min raise to get the job done. When they get on a roll there is no way to play them, they're hitting one and two outers galore, I only wish I could run that good. Hmmm... maybe it's not so much tilt as jealousy, nah it's tilt, they are scum, I'm convinced of it
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    "Bad Beats" are just par for the course but sometimes you feel better by posting them here.

    I haven't posted any for a while myself because I've changed my game and now ignore them. I'm less likely to go all in now compared to when I first started so rarely get knocked out by what some call bad beats it's usually races I lose.

    Mind you I'm happy to put a bad beat on others

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    I agree with the fact that complaining about a bad beat isn't really productive, and that's why i usually don't have anything to fill that section of the forum.
    But to tell the truth when you hold pp 9's and the pp 4's winning after you gone all-in pre-flop, then it's a bad beat to me. But i know that there is no universal agreement on what is a bad beat.
    First you gone AI with the best hand at the showing and you lose to your opponent hand. But that's not enough to be considered as a bad beat usually. You must have your hand big favorite (more than 75%, if i'm not seriously mistaking) so that if your opponent have a str8 flush draw with 2 OC, then it can't be considered as a bad beat.
    Feel free to correct if you don't agree.
    So, to come back to the 9's and the 4's, it must be a bad beat as pp 4's have less 20% winning facing 9's.
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    Some sites have a bad beat jackpot, right? And from what I know it's not awarded for losing with Aces to k 10 or with 99 to 44. Give this a thought because for me a bad beat is losing with quads or with a straight flush. Nothing less. The rest is just poker.
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    I never call anyone a donk because of the way they beat me like you have all said it's GAMBLING, no matter how you look at it.Someones gotta win and someones gotta lose and for every time i have gotten rivered i think i have probably rivered someone, then again i'm a newb to this game anyways but especially at my stakes i don't see getting mad will help the situation.I did make a thread the other day about getting rivered but i didn't call it a bad beat, because i thought those were done with quads and higher like king just said in his post. Hell i wish i could get a bad beat at one of those merge rooms , it pays nicely i hear !
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    "Celebrate the badbeats".... why get upset over getting your chips in with the best of it (seems kind of contradictory doesn't it.... "Gee... I'm so pissed off cuz I got my money in good"). Maybe a player/person could instead try to 'celebrate the badbeats'.... >> "Cool, once again I got my money in with the best of it!" << not the easiest to do but far more productive than whining.
    Now for the HI-JACK (the point where I include a badbeat, lol). I'm playing fullring cashgame last night & I wake up with KK. Utg raises and me sitting in EP re-raises to ~12x, SB calls, Utg calls (we're all at least 100bb's deep)
    Flop T-T-9, SB donkleads the flop, betting out "POT", UTG folds, I think to myself,... hmm... AT? nah... I doubt it. AA?... nah.. he's an aggressive player and would've put in another raise preflop. 99? Would he donklead the flop with the boat? I don't think so. Hmm... QQ or JJ perhaps? likely.
    I re-raise SB to around 3x his bet & he then goes and shoves. He turns up JJ... YAY ME.. I'm 93% fav. to win the hand. Turn a blank & now a 97% fav.... and the river... a 'J'... sigh. imo.. this was a badbeat. For villain to think I would've shown up on that flop with the prior action with a hand behind JJ..is completely insane (99+ has him smoked... does he think I'm doing this with 8-8?...umm.. I don't think so.. (3-bet pre, reraise big on flop... doubt it). So... was I choked? Umm.. yup.. a bit (but not alot). Only a bit choked because it was the RUSH poker tables and now w reads on villain I wasn't able to play more hands with them (not out of revenge, lol.. ok, maybe a bit,.. but out of having a better understanding of how they play.. or might play... or 'overplay').

    Solution - take a few deep breaths.... and then 'Celebrate the badbeat!' (so I did... wtg Deep... you got villain to get their stack in as a 10to1 dog!). This seemed to help out my future play (or maybe I just got lucky, lol) because in the next 20mins. I proceeded to win 6buyins which more than made up for losing a buyin to 'lucky guy', lol. Had I focused on whining about some great injustice I'd been done (ie. wake-up girlfriend and whine, lure cat over to tell him the badbeat story,...) I more than likely would've just ended up losing some more by playing poorly.

    So remember... "CELEBRATE THE BADBEATS!!"

    .... pretty sneaky way to slip in a badbeat post huh... joking
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    "CELEBRATE THE BADBEATS!!" ???

    I'd rather read Playful1's BIG BUCK OFF POKERRR 4 DUMIES
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