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    Default Funny it seems I should just quit

    I seriously am getting fed up with getting screwed over and over again! It is terrible!

    Chip Leader ME!

    32065 chips

    Dealt A K

    I am 2 spots to the button and raise 3 times the big blind 300/600... so the bet was 1800

    Button goes all in for 9800

    I call

    He turns over A J


    Flop A 4 8

    Turn 4

    River J

    Next hand "I play"(Not the very next hand)

    Dealt A J

    Raise 4 times blind are 400/800 at this time so the bet was 3200

    Small blind goes all in for 10055 chips I call

    He turns over K 8

    Flop and I literally "Laughed Out Loud"

    K J K don't even remember the suits, but I know there was no heart

    didn't hit my runner runner like everyone does to me no A A or J J

    I am now sitting with 6800 chips left YAY ME!

    Blinds are now 600/1200

    I am the big blind

    Two people call I check with arch nemesis from my last post 6 6

    flop comes 3 5 7

    I go all in

    and of course someone slow played me the short stack with the big blind

    Guy calls and turns over K K

    Please straight... please straight... please straight

    nope turn a 5

    River I feel just to rub it in was another K the K of to be exact,

    People at my table were just in awe of how unlucky I was. How can a guy be so unlucky? I just don't win anymore and it is driving me nuts!

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    This all happened in an under an hour. I do not need advice. I know you all are going to say I didn't need to be that aggressive! I play when I have cards, and I used to win the way I play a long time ago, but that is no more.

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    hi

    not sure if you want suggestions or if posting BB's help you let off steam ;-)

    but IMHO

    you should have folded both the 2nd and 3rd hands ... the first one ok fair enough IF you want to gamble 1/3rd of your stack with AK based on the other guy making a move - then maybe ok I guess

    but AJ suited isnt IMHO a hand to push with preflop ... making a 4x BB raise seems a bit too agressive with it, ok I know the guy pushed allin with 8K but thats almost a legitmate move by him to try and steal you raise with any hand

    JA suited against K8 suited isnt really much better than a coin flip ... many players would have folded your hand there ... he may well have known that thus making his play perfectly legitmate

    bad call IMHO ... especially as by my calc you started with 30k chips, lost 10k in the AK hand so have at most 20k left ... so his allin is effectively 1/2 your stack to call ... therefore you should have folded and he was thinking same - hence his play

    66 hand

    ok so now blinds are 1200 and you only have 6800 so only 5 1/2 BB's left

    you are totally into push or fold preflop territory ... no other options

    wierdly afaiks you check it and see a flop (which is what I'd have done with the other hands when you had more chips) but IMHO you would have been far better off pushing allin to pick up the other 600 and get your own 1200 back in your stack - PREFLOP

    when the flop came down - its really not a great flop - it might look ok with a draw and a middling pair but basically anyone with 72 off is ahead, any higher pair or overcards still most likely to be in given the flop was checked down ... pushing allin there IMHO was again risky

    again if I had KK and everyone was playing a bit shy I would have checked it and hoped you pushed either pre or post flop then its an insta call for them with KK on that flop

    hope this is helpful as it is meant to be constructive - but IMHO you dug yourself into a short stack position from chip lead by playing too aggressively and not balancing this with seeing hands from other players POV too

    cheers scrawnybob
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    I don't agree with scrawnybob!! The AK hand .. how the hell can you lose man? He had 3 outs on the river. And the AJ against k8. You were a HUGE favorite and he flops KK?
    You should e-mail support a.s.a.p.. Ask them what the hell is going on and tell them you will go to Alderney Gambling Control Commission and to the PPA and ICG and IBF.

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    Online play can be quite tough. Maybe try some live poker instead, you may get away with over-aggressive play there more often than you will online.
    "Good players very rarely call. Good players raise or fold. Good players who call a bet after the flop are very, very often slowplaying a monster hand.” Phil Gordon’s Little Green Book

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    A J vs. K 8
    62.72% vs. 36.81%

    You are 60/40 slightly ahead with your AJ push. I think people really overestimate their A hands. Even AK.

    Even your AK off versus his AJ off you lose that hand 25% of the time... or one out of every 4 times you play it out. Good odds, but nothing to get bent out of shape about.


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    Well, while I agree that OP should of folded the AJ suited preflop, must of been happy to see the K 8 (until the flop) I'm sick and medicated right now so I could be wrong but I think 60/40??
    I think it would be helpful in these threads to post buy ins, it would go a long way to explaining the bad plays being made if we knew the stakes. I recently tried a $3 tourny and it was just a minefield of idiotic play until 50-60% of the players had gone. In hindsight most players would of done better if they'd just bought in and sat out.
    I read you're not looking for advice and it looks like you're just blowing of steam but I'm going to throw in my advice anyhoo. Play micros, build bankroll, play little tournys on other peoples money. It doesn't hurt as much when you do things this way.
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    You had a Big Stack and all the smaller stacks are just looking for there spot to Double up. There is the argument again in another thread of WHY get involved in Races for ALL IN,s with smaller stacks or worse bigger stacks.I have seen this happen often.I saw a player go from 3rd to OUT in 3 straights hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrawnybob View Post
    hi

    not sure if you want suggestions or if posting BB's help you let off steam ;-)

    but IMHO

    you should have folded both the 2nd and 3rd hands ... the first one ok fair enough IF you want to gamble 1/3rd of your stack with AK based on the other guy making a move - then maybe ok I guess

    but AJ suited isnt IMHO a hand to push with preflop ... making a 4x BB raise seems a bit too agressive with it, ok I know the guy pushed allin with 8K but thats almost a legitmate move by him to try and steal you raise with any hand

    JA suited against K8 suited isnt really much better than a coin flip ... many players would have folded your hand there ... he may well have known that thus making his play perfectly legitmate

    bad call IMHO ... especially as by my calc you started with 30k chips, lost 10k in the AK hand so have at most 20k left ... so his allin is effectively 1/2 your stack to call ... therefore you should have folded and he was thinking same - hence his play

    66 hand

    ok so now blinds are 1200 and you only have 6800 so only 5 1/2 BB's left

    you are totally into push or fold preflop territory ... no other options

    wierdly afaiks you check it and see a flop (which is what I'd have done with the other hands when you had more chips) but IMHO you would have been far better off pushing allin to pick up the other 600 and get your own 1200 back in your stack - PREFLOP

    when the flop came down - its really not a great flop - it might look ok with a draw and a middling pair but basically anyone with 72 off is ahead, any higher pair or overcards still most likely to be in given the flop was checked down ... pushing allin there IMHO was again risky

    again if I had KK and everyone was playing a bit shy I would have checked it and hoped you pushed either pre or post flop then its an insta call for them with KK on that flop

    hope this is helpful as it is meant to be constructive - but IMHO you dug yourself into a short stack position from chip lead by playing too aggressively and not balancing this with seeing hands from other players POV too

    cheers scrawnybob
    I do post in here to let off steam. It helps a lot actually! I appreciate any input and any helpful incite. It just is getting to the point where I don't win anymore. Literally 80%-85% of the time I have the better hand and lose.

    Why should I be penalized for reading a guys playing style and capitalize on his mistakes hence the K8 hand. The guy had been playing junk all day, and I figured it was my time to take the guy out.

    I have been playing real poker now for 12 years, and I have won my fair share. Never lost at a casino yet. Wife don't let me go very often though. The wife lets me play low stakes poker online every once in a while anymore. I kid you not, I find it harder to play fish then good players.

    I am really just sick of losing to people that don't deserve to win!

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    My unsolicitated advice, start looking for reasons to fold instead of reasons to get allin. Bad players exist because they get paid off a lot. As stated before, even a dominated hand wins 1 of 4, ( online I swear its more like 2 of 5, just my opinion).

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