Carbon is a Virtual Funhouse

[Dan Abnormal]

I really hope this isnt the way Carbon entices new depositors to want to invest more money in their site

Yesterday I was bubble boy to the DOYLE BRUNSON

today was just, I dont know even know what to call this

[Logan]

Already comment in the 10-2 hand in the other topic, it was your fault.

In this new hand, i only see that guy with best hand wins, you raise 2bb he reraise you 5bb, you call and so other 3, he got best hand preflop and still have the best hand in flop, don´t see nothing wrong.

[scrawnybob]

hi

not sure but I think dan is not saying its a BB but that its a bit odd that everyone got a piece of the flop ?

this is again the classic you will see everything online - proinciply because the volume of hands and time playing is way above live games

I dont think any of the legit sites networks RNG's are off to produce action hands but forums will have 100s' of posts to suggest otherwise

Carbon / Merge Sites and a whole host of mid sized established sites get a whole lot more fish / bad players on them than Fulltilt (now very nitty IMHO) and PokerStars ...

IMHO crap loose players are where you should be looking for easy pickings not running with sharks and by the book players who for some reason like to play other similarly reasonably competant players

this is why sites like Carbon are gold mines for half decent players ;-)
it can be very frutrating when things dont go right but mostly you will just make steady moeny off these players

cheers SB

[Dan Abnormal]

Cant argue with the advice from the other thread or the other hand, but I will not back down from THESE WERE 2 SCREWY HANDS. But thanks for the advice Logan, I will add it to my log of mistakes not to make. Im always listening to what people say on my play because I got a long way to go.

AHHH BOB Popped up in the middle of my post, thanks too for your advice.

Im just irrated right now regardless if my extra 450 chips would of stopped a big blind special and yes the best preflop hand won. So if there were a live game, would anyone say that either of these decks were well shuffled. I WANT A WASH.

ANd now BOB puts on the pressure (LOL), If I play ring games there and lose money, then I aint even a 1/2 way decent player.

Actually Im not that irratated , because Im not even suppose to be playing free rolls unless they are forum rolls. But these are the weirdest hands I have seen in a while, I guess I just thought one of the hands would of held up, instead 3 of 4- 10's in play 4 of 4 - K's in play and 2 of 4 - Aces in play.

[scrawnybob]

hi Dan

I would say as general advice to all players - dont let the wierd hands bug you

its like the AA v AA matchups for all your money ending up giving them a flush and the win ... it doesnt feel right at all

but these long shot things do happen and imho players loose alot alot more dwelling on them and letting them eat away at them than the orginal loss from the screwy hand

I've slipped into it before now - convincing myself that I always seem to hit straight draws on fulltilt or several other player always used to hit flushes on UB or that PP's seemed to be alot more common on other sites or that I've had QQ after QQ alot on fulltilt

in a sense all of the above things are sort of true and have sort of happened but not really out of the relms of likelyhood looking at a much much longer run of cards etc

its a bit like that thing when you get a new car ... suddenly its like everyone has the same car as you ... they obviously dont but the mind focusses and puts more bias on what you want it to see and more crucially ignores / filters out the "non relevant" ... if 90% of everything is non relevant suddenly the 10% will seem proportionated much bigger than the 10% that it really is

cheers scrawnybob

[Dan Abnormal]

Thanks for the advice BOB, and It's nothing Im gonna let bother me, Im not even suppose to be playing (non forum) free rolls but since they are small fields ones I figure what the hell.

I mean Logan is right, the best pocket cards came out the winner and I was just unlucky enough to have a hand that Id have no reason to fold. As much as I hate to say it, Logan analysis is dead on right, even if I do feel like an idiot after I read what I did wrong, but thats what I ask for. so I wanna say but , but this, there are no buts, the more powerful pockets won the hand and the first game, my cheapness probably did cost me any chance of folding the dude with 10 2.

But I can not complain, I have had an awesome 2 weeks of poker, Not saying every game has gone right and I have no first place or big money to show, but I do have some final tables to show and I do have some high finishes to show.

So I will just keep on trucking along

[tking888]

at least you didn't get beat by 23os or some other junk hand. i never mind losing to a good hand. i agree with sb post as always()

go dan go! it's a good man that can admit his failings and move on. you'll be a better player in the long run. only a fish believes in rng set ups.....

[kingjames07]

ah you will learn that 2 always hits on carbon....best hand on carbon is pocket 2...i will just about go all in every time with it...but only on carbon will iplay it like that....lol

[Dan Abnormal]

OK I know the problems on this one so tell me what I missed. (CHECK OUT BOTH PICTURES ITS ALL THE SAME HAND)

Betting way out of position SHOULD I HAVE PUSHED ALL IN PREFLOP - I dont think so but I did push in a nice preflop bet I THINK let me say a consistant bet by me to give away the least info on my hand

ON FLOP when I hit top 2 pairs , I decided to slow play it and checked hoping to get bet on but gave away a free card HUGH ERROR

SO SHOULD I PUSHED ALL IN HERE or at least like 2K because if I pushed 4K in I would be overvalue the bet by adding 4K to a pot of about 700 in it.

TURN felt safe - SO once again I should of made this an all in deal here and If I did do you think I would of folded the guy here since he was str8 chasing

KING falls for some reason I felt ultra safe here unless the guy had AK so Now I decide to bet all in after everything and of course BEING ON THE DRUNK SIDE I never even though he was playing Q 10 since he was following my bets I figured he might have 2 pair Ace -rag

I gave away too many card, I was over valued the bet on the river but if I bet the pot on the river, this guy would of proably pushed all in at this point anyways,

JUST DAMN IT ROB, THIS HAND WOULD OF DEF got me a least $5 as I would of shot way up the ranking,

If i were going all in or at least a big bet I should of done it on the flop and then still no guarentees he would of folded since it was a free roll

SO am I on target, I didnt post this to answer my own question, I posted it to make sure Im answering my own question right.

DAMN THIS WAS SOME IDIOTIC PLAYING BY ME

[Logan]

Betting way out of position SHOULD I HAVE PUSHED ALL IN PREFLOP - I dont think so

agree on that.

but I did push in a nice preflop bet I THINK let me say a consistant bet by me to give away the least info on my hand.

Not sure the values on there, what i understant is that after bb everyone folds until this guy, he just raise 2bb from D, i think blinds was in 150 and he raise to 300 is that correct?, then you from sb reraise 375+75 from sb=450 is this correct?, not sure.

If this correct means he raise to 300 and then you reraise him just 1 more bb to 450?. I mean he was in D with no one in so far, so he could pretty much raise 2bb with anithyng, but i don´t understand your raise there.

You mention that raise that amount to not give any info on your hand, but in here you are out of position and will play all hand that way so you need that he fold, means need a bigger raise there to look stronger, with the 2bb raise you don´t know what he have, could have nothing and just playing his position or could have a hand. So need to know info on his hand more than not give on yours. So in here i think will raise more than that because with your raise a call is pretty much a most and still not know nothing about him.

ON FLOP when I hit top 2 pairs , I decided to slow play it and checked hoping to get bet on but gave away a free card HUGH ERROR

SO SHOULD I PUSHED ALL IN HERE or at least like 2K because if I pushed 4K in I would be overvalue the bet by adding 4K to a pot of about 700 in it.

I think you can play the hand in different ways, if decide to slow play it (slow play 2 pairs is not that good he could have a pp and then give free card to he can get trips) but if decide to do it and check because is not flush draw there then i guess is ok, because you have the chance he bet and then you go over the top.

But still don´t know what he have, so if he make the 2bb raise at the start because he have AK or AX you could know in here betting, you could bet 350 or 400 there, if had a Ace he will pay, or if he got KJ or JQ maybe pay also, but you have 2 pairs so you want the pot get bigger.

TURN felt safe - SO once again I should of made this an all in deal here and If I did do you think I would of folded the guy here since he was str8 chasing

I don´t think he was str8 chasing but because you check he could think you got nothing also and why not see it free. I see that you always are worry for str8 with only one card to make it, i mean if is doublegut str8 (2 ways) then are 8 outs, in flop (2 cards to come) is 1 on 3 times to make it, but to make the str8 with only 1 card (the King in here) remember are only 4 outs, less than 20% chances in flop, less than 10% in turn (1 card to come) in this case he made it but he don´t pay to get it.

You need to make them pay, he could make it 1 or 2 times from 10, but in the other 8 times you will collect more chips, and also is the chance they fold, so don´t worry for 1 card str8 chasers, you want they pay with only 10-20% chances, example: you got AA preflop, you think someone have a lower pair, you worry that could hit trips if go allin preflop? , NO, if you got AA pretty much you want go all the way and push or instacall when some one go all in and you got same chances (80% to win vs a lower pair), is the same here, not worry for 1 way str8).

So 3 come you are safe again but you don´t put any more money in the pot wich is what you want, and probably he don´t improve with the 3, so or you stop it here or risk what happen later. That was the problem with check when you are first to act, if you bet and he fold at least get the 700-900, if he pay you in flop then you know that maybe he hit or is chasing, but then in turn can go over the top. But in here your still don´t know nothing about his hand, maybe that he don´t hit the Ace because probably will bet there (but you have it also and don´t bet, so...)

So in here need to think on stop the hand because if not pay here still will not pay in river (unless he got you beat). Probably bet pot here, if he fold great means can´t take more from him, if he call then you should becareful in river.

So you check again. (i see you bet 150 and he call, but 150 still not say nothing because you check before)

KING falls for some reason I felt ultra safe here unless the guy had AK so Now I decide to bet all in after everything and of course BEING ON THE DRUNK SIDE I never even though he was playing Q 10 since he was following my bets I figured he might have 2 pair Ace -rag

Tough card in here, what if he raise 2bb because Ak like you think? then in here you are beat, what if he raise 2bb with KK and then just check all the way because he see the Ace in flop?, he could be trips here, what if he got JJ and was slowplaying too his trips?, or AA? or 33?, that is the problem with no bet any street, (and slowplaying 2 pairs) don´t know shit of his hand, so the last i want in here is go allin, of course it depends also how you see him playing before.

Probably if bet 1/3 he could push allin even if are not ahead because 1/3 looks weak so maybe bet half pot there and if he push back then is up to you, i mean if i think he have AK need to fold, to be true probably not think in the str8, but not know in what place are you in here, close to the money?, you check all the hand so you still have more than 3000 chips and if bet and then fold still ok, but is a hard choice that yourself put in to.

But because is a freeroll i probably call too here and be out, but i don´t think push first, i mean what is the point to push?, you comment that feel safe, meaning he would not pay.

So, unlucky Dan, this is a clear example why you don´t want to play out of position, you always want to be last to see what the other do already but if have the luck to get a good hand DON´T SLOW PLAY unless got trips or something bigger, but most of the time don´t.

A lot of times i find myself with 2 pair and the fucking board make a pair wich screw me up, or you always see runner runner flushes, and then you are not sure what to do.

If was a buyin probably will fold preflop AJ in sb in this case, or made a bigger raise to try to steal, but in a freebie everything is valid, so at the end was just unlucky.



Better luck next time.