big slick madness

[Poker Orifice]

sidenote - I think alot of folks get confusion between tourney play & cash game play. There's a big difference in how you'd be playing AK. When we're deepstacked in early levels it is similiar to playing cash tables.. and in some cases with AK I would just call behind a raise & caller but at other times I would 3bet in position to isolate the intial raiser (or as a squeeze... although typically I'd be squeezing per se with something like 97s in a spot like that).

In many spots its never wrong to get all of your chips in the middle with AK in tournament situation (especially STT/SNG).

[sos_egg_n]

ak as i assume stated previously is good with FOLD EQUITY only or obvious i know when u need double up and u are ahead of opponents range i would say ak is practically 50/50 u are bhind to any pocket pair BUT only 2 hands have u crushed aa / kk and u are big fav against any other A and good fave against any other 2 cards so in my opinion to say its general bhind bcos pp is fav is a narrow minded view.

STAGE of game is a huge factor i fold small blinds for 2 reasons ie alot of calls especially if raised bhind u pot commits u to an allin ASSUMING opponent does not hold aa u still have good chance v kk but to me the maths are not correct if i call and double up i am not guaranteed to make the money if i call and lose i am GUARANTEED to lose my entrance fee specially as my 3000 stack for example has not got the same value later on in tourney

Also some1 mentioned worth playing lower stakes....i disagree players often call with hands that cannot be in good shape but happen to have ak beat ie pocket 2's upto pocket QQ'S i feel as though players all to often call some tat meaning the FOLD EQUITY i think i SHOULD have is not there.

Just 1 more point how does ak have any value early stage of tourney on a raise? this can only happen if ur opponent RIDICULOUSLY overplays a q / aj or even worse. Once the ace flops any decent player should pay minimal on pocket pair and same with aq / aj BUT if my chips go allin on 1 PAIR i should be beat to a jammy git hitting 2 pair or a set. i should only get paid on 2 pair to a weaker 2 pair / 2 aces flop giving me and other player trips / i hit 10 - a str8 against a q and i cant think of much else.

Obviously players do overplay crap and u can get paid but i aint riskin it early doors.

ITS A FUNNY OLD GAME but if u play a GOOD hand BADLY it will have negative value for u regardless of how good the hand is.

Rgds

Sos

[Assistanc3]

hi ppl.

here is my story and it makes me really sick
during last 1 month i lost 28 preflop allin with AK and never won 1. in 65-70% i was caller of somebody's allin, rest it was my move. the sickest part is that i never faced a hand pair, so it means that i lost all 28 clashes being ahead and that is quite insane, now i am joking among my friends that i should play ak like its 96 off suit. but to be serious i have no idea what to do next time i'm facing allin with big slick, think i just fold and thats it

That is a sick run of bad luck

[rgchan]

I find Ace-King over played so often. I can see it as very valuable with 6 players at the final table and very Large Blinds. Or in position against the Blinds. Or in short stacked situations. !!
But so often players raise 4xBB and get callers such as 10-J suited or small pairs. Then what do you do when you miss the flop which only has a 10-J or queen high flop and some-one raises and another calls. Now you only have Ace high your drawing. Here is where most players can,t or simply won,t lay down the Ace-King.You possibly have 6 Outs with the overcards but your the dog chasing. !!
Rg

[Poker Orifice]

I find Ace-King over played so often. I can see it as very valuable with 6 players at the final table and very Large Blinds. Or in position against the Blinds. Or in short stacked situations. !!
But so often players raise 4xBB and get callers such as 10-J suited or small pairs. Then what do you do when you miss the flop which only has a 10-J or queen high flop and some-one raises and another calls. Now you only have Ace high your drawing. Here is where most players can,t or simply won,t lay down the Ace-King.You possibly have 6 Outs with the overcards but your the dog chasing. !!
Rg

I don't think anyone suggests playing it like a loose calling station.

With AK in position, you're very unlikely to be in a multi-way pot (and.. who's raising 4x & why)... more oftne than not you're 3betting with it & narrowing the field to headsup with one other oppoent or have had them fold to your 3bet.
There's a ton of value in the hand AK in tournament nlhe... many players play it too passively imo (I will in lower levels to disguise the strength of my hand).

One other note.... any J-T-X flop is a TERRIBLE board to be c-betting on. I would never cbet on a JTX flop in a multiway pot with AK (probably woulldn't cbet a headsup pot with a board like that as it's likely to hit your opponent's range hard). A hand like AK that still has showdown value isn't something I'm going to cbet on JTX... I don't want to risk getting raised off the best hand & don't mind check/calling here as I might still be ahead (my hand stil has showdown value... also I'd like to get to the turn cheaply in many instances). << all of this stuff depends on many other factors though (obviously).. ie. reads on opponents and even more so.. >> stack sizes & stack sizes in relation to the size of the blinds... & POSITION.

[Dan Abnormal]

I aint read anything about these post all I got to say IS BIG SLICK killed me in the FT league game today

SUITED BIG SLICK knocked out a nice chunk of my stack in a forum game

I dont know If I subscribe to these push very hard and everyone will fold or not have as strong of a hand

Well lately it doesnt matter if they call you with 72o not one A or K will fall

IN FACT one of last weeks leagues games was a big slick casualtiy. My thoughts now are preceed with caution with hand. How folks end up with AA or KK when you have this hand just seem biZarre and how AK never hits the board with a big preflop bet yet everyone folded so are we saying no one pockets had aces or kings and none fall on the board.

BIG SLICK Is a very odd bedfellow


OK IM BITCHING BIG DEAL