big slick madness

[gugman]

hi ppl.

here is my story and it makes me really sick
during last 1 month i lost 28 preflop allin with AK and never won 1. in 65-70% i was caller of somebody's allin, rest it was my move. the sickest part is that i never faced a hand pair, so it means that i lost all 28 clashes being ahead and that is quite insane, now i am joking among my friends that i should play ak like its 96 off suit. but to be serious i have no idea what to do next time i'm facing allin with big slick, think i just fold and thats it

[sos_egg_n]

if that is true i would not be playing anymore not just ak i mean poker fullstop

if odds was at evens 28 in a row would be

268435456 - 1


I assume there has to be an element of forgetfulness if not i think u should contact guiness book of world records

Rgds

sos

[scrawnybob]

hi

I would say that calling preflop allin bets with AK ...

is a very bad idea generally

there is your problem there and then ... its at best ace high

to be honest your not going to be much better than a coin flip against even hands that you think you have dominated ... the simple fact is that against any other connected hand


eg. 10 J / J Q / QK or 78 etc etc is that you are both equally likely to draw an improving flop

AK is only better than these other drawing hands if neither hand improves

that in itself is exactly why you should NOT play AK allin preflop and even more why you should NOT call allins with AK

if ANY of those "lesser" hands you've seen beat you were suited then they are in effect better drawing hands and have more chances to likely to improve

you have come to the right conclusion ... next time you face an allin bet preflop and you hold AK ... better to FOLD

if you have AK suited then maybe ... only maybe call if its not for all YOUR chips ... in fairness if their allin is NOT for anything like all your chips then you could gamble with your AK

but that is the point AK is a gamble full stop

statistically you are stronger calling an allin preflop with 22 than AK ... that sounds like a really bad idea ??? ... yes it is and thats why AK is an even worse idea ;-)

AK is a hand to draw on a cheap flop - NOT a hand to put all your money on

cheers scrawnybob

[steviec7]

hi

I would say that calling preflop allin bets with AK ...

is a very bad idea generally

there is your problem there and then ... its at best ace high

to be honest your not going to be much better than a coin flip against even hands that you think you have dominated ... the simple fact is that against any other connected hand


eg. 10 J / J Q / QK or 78 etc etc is that you are both equally likely to draw an improving flop

AK is only better than these other drawing hands if neither hand improves

that in itself is exactly why you should NOT play AK allin preflop and even more why you should NOT call allins with AK

if ANY of those "lesser" hands you've seen beat you were suited then they are in effect better drawing hands and have more chances to likely to improve

you have come to the right conclusion ... next time you face an allin bet preflop and you hold AK ... better to FOLD

if you have AK suited then maybe ... only maybe call if its not for all YOUR chips ... in fairness if their allin is NOT for anything like all your chips then you could gamble with your AK

but that is the point AK is a gamble full stop

statistically you are stronger calling an allin preflop with 22 than AK ... that sounds like a really bad idea ??? ... yes it is and thats why AK is an even worse idea ;-)

AK is a hand to draw on a cheap flop - NOT a hand to put all your money on

cheers scrawnybob

agree completely with you scrawny AK especially preflop is not worth the race really at worst you maybe 44% to hit as long as you against underpair only which obv means the under pair is 56% always seems to beat my qq jj 1010 tho so i guess really it is up to the "gut feeling" you have" at that time, really unlucky tho to lose so many in a row !the other night i went out of 5 tourneys all being in ahead and gettin outdrawn,,,sigh! obv there are other factors to take into acct also ..regular blagger ? does he or has he been playin tighter than an otters pocket? lol all things change for me anyway when i am at the tables be them virtual or live ! if we did everything in life by the book we would get sod all done lol !!

ste clarke

[ND1991]

Yeah I have to agree, all AK is is the best drawing hand in the game.

Even simple math:

AKo versus 72o (technically the worst starting hand in poker) is only 2:1 favorite.

versus JTs it is about a 3:2 favorite.

versus 22 it is a dog. 46:52

versus QQ it is a dog. 42:57

If you really lost 28 times in a row, that is a tad unfortunate. However, goal with AK (at least from what I read/think) is to be in control pre-flop and try to keep pre-flop betting reasonable hoping to hit the top pair top kicker scenario.

Also, once you are behind with AK, you only have 6 outs normally which makes you a 3:1 dog.

[gugman]

contacting guiness book not sure about that, but i decided not to get in big clashes with ak, maybe thats my unfortunate cards

scrawnybob you are right, but even according to your conception to loose so many hands in a row is insane, agree?

ste clarke, being ahead and loose in the end thats so painful, but thats a poker, sometimes you win, sometimes you loose, but when you loose all hands being ahead then i dont even know what to call it

[BluffYou123]

I would say it is better to be the one doing the pushing with AK rather than calling all in with it.

I sometimes overplay AK but I do think that at smaller stakes it is not so bad to get it all in with it.

You will get called often by hands you dominate like AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ and alot of times by any Ace.

Deeper in tournaments, it is a strong semi-bluffing hand as you can steal blinds and know that if you get called, only 2 hands have you in really bad shape, AA and KK.

Hope your luck turns around the next time you pick up big slick gugman.

[pirates831]

I think it all depends how many chips you have left too. If you are under 15 and certainly 10 big blinds, it's an instacall. You need to double up unless you are on the bubble.

[Alnoble]

I like to be first into a pot with a raise with AK but Bobs right you should never risk all your chips with it. Last night I did in the 4KP game and finished 24 my only mistake of the night.

Why did I call a bigger stack ? because the other player had just won with AA and nearly tripled up. I suspected a big Ace either the same AK or down to A 10. Not KK. AA followed by KK jammy B***.

Didn't think it through enough. I've learnt from it and watch out tonight.

[Poker Orifice]

Sure 'calling' might not be the correct play at the time (it 'depends' on alot of factors).

Some responses I'm reading on here though I think are a bit off, suggesting to play AK like a 'drawing' hand when it's basically the 3rd best hand you can be deal imo. Part of the power of AK (in tourney play) comes from shoving over your opponent, having fold equity when doing so. So when you quote stats. AK is only such & such favourite over 72o, etc. < this means NOTHING. (nobody's shoving AK allin overtop of an aggress. LP raiser.. well.. sometimes they might but the thing is, if you do so with AK you're never worried about them calling you as the pot is giving you HUGE odds and you've got a TON of equity with AK.
In other spots (ie. 'calling' with AK) in a tournament situation, there's stuff to consider. Generally speaking it's never wrong to get all your chips in preflop with AK in a lower buyin MTT (especially the 1500chip ones). I'm not suggesting open-shoving for 100bb's with blinds at 10/20 or something. If there's an EP raise a 3bet, then a shove.. I'm folding AK. BUT if there's an MP raise & caller there's a good chance I'm putting the pile in (but.. 'it depends'.. it depends on stack sizes, blind level, player reads).

OP I find it hard to believe that you lost with AK that many time in-a-row but hey.. anything's possible (it's poker). As suggested above, perhaps calling the Guiness Book of Records would be in order?