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    Quote Originally Posted by madjek View Post
    I disagree with you here bean, I don't think the guy played that bad, it was a min raise preflop, he was bb, with J 2 I would of folded preflop but just for a min raise I can't say it was awful to call and see what the flop brought. Then he hits the 2, maybe figures other guy has A (just 1) and can win pot with push. Like I said, I wouldn't of played it that way but I can understand it, and I don't think he would of called a push preflop, just guessing though.

    6 to one, half a dozen to another. This is a good point Madjek. But he calls a raise with J-2 suited. Then he is OOP, UTG post flop. All he did was whif the flop, and immediately pushes all in. But he is going to flop HU, and there is a 68% chance his opponent totally missed the flop. Villain just took a stupid risk here.

    If I was the villain, and I held J-2s, but I lost the hand - what would you say if I posted the HH? Here I am, call a min raise with J-2s on the BB. Catch bottom pair on the flop, push all in, but I don't suck out, I lose. What would you guys say about my play then? I am just curious.

    Villain was behind here until the river. I just think villain is a loose and wreckless player, and it is irritating that he sucked out. I mean, come on J-2 suited, out of position???? I would not even call a min raise with that. I don't think that is particularly tight to fold your BB to a raise with J-2 suited. It is a garbage hand.

    The way I look at it, tournies are a survival test. Even if it's only a min raise, you can't call and throw away your money every time, just because you paid the BB. Sometimes, you just have to limit your losses, and fold your BB. How many times, in reality, do you think it would be profitable to call a min raise on the BB with J-2 suited? You are going to lose alot of chips if you call min raises in the blinds with garbage. Just let 'em go.

    This is all my opinion here. I am not trying to say anyone else is wrong (including the person I quoted). I just wanted to put my thoughts out there. Peace.

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    some people are more risk takers then others, at this stage of the game I would bet OP had a tight image and the J2 didn't even look at the hand and said to himself I am just gonna blow this guy off this pot cause he wont wanna risk it this late in the tournament unless he has.....aces.


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    Thanks for all the input on this situation, and I would like to add the following :

    My stack was 6980 and the blinds 250-500 with 50 ante. This would, if correct, give me 14 BB's or an M of 6 - not yet in a push situation, especially since I was not the short stack at the table (3 others below me).

    I wouldn't even consider folding or slow-playing pre-flop.

    A larger bet would have put me in a push situation (if I became short stacked). But maybe a larger bet would make Villain fold. Being in early position raises a question of the amount required.

    SO - I think the error I made - If I wasn't willing to push pre-flop, why would I be willing to call a push post-flop (especially with a pair on board).
    IMO I think I should have folded to the all-in bet, keeping my stack size reasonable and my tourney hopes still alive.

    A mistake made in the past is not as important as the lesson learned from it.

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    far too sensible, milud shake yer bling at 'em

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