Sad site

[disgruntledone]

So I have had it with Pokerstars...I played for real money awhile back..tired of the total BS that is constant on the sight I signed off...Many moons later I decide to try again...OF course you can win when you just start...keeps you coming back...but then...blah blah blah same story everyone talks about...but man..is it frustrating!!!So here is my last bad beat story...typical and I know it is going to come before it happens...early position JJ raise 3X the blind to 750 from early postion.tthree callers then the BB goes all in for 6k..he has been playing like the typical PS donk so I call immediatley...two fold and then another guy calls ..BB has J 10 off suit and the other guy shows 10 6 offsuit...I dont have to tell you who rakes in the huge pot...flop comes 6 high, turn 6 river 10...and I fucking knew it was going to happen...cause it does always at critical times on this site...it is such a crappy BS site...You can not play good poker there and get rewarded...in the long run...I am really tired of playing in some stupid rebuy tournamnet for 6 hours and then getting slayed with a set up situation every time...to make 50 bucks or mnore likey to bubble!...while the donks take the bigger money! I have a million bad beat ridiculous stories about that site...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...anyhoo thanks for letting me vent
I hope this site goes down

[GOIVIT]

lmao, sorry for your loss. My advice "don't play there anymore"! I no longer have to worry about Pokerstars as the DOJ solved my problem.

[Ramster]

So I have had it with Pokerstars...I played for real money awhile back..tired of the total BS that is constant on the sight I signed off...Many moons later I decide to try again...OF course you can win when you just start...keeps you coming back...but then...blah blah blah same story everyone talks about...but man..is it frustrating!!!So here is my last bad beat story...typical and I know it is going to come before it happens...FOLD THEN early position JJ raise 3X the blind to 750 from early postion.tthree callers then the BB goes all in for 6k..he has been playing like the typical PS donk so I call immediatley...two fold and then another guy calls ..BB has J 10 off suit and the other guy shows 10 6 offsuit...I dont have to tell you who rakes in the huge pot...flop comes 6 high, turn 6 river 10...and I fucking knew it was going to happen...cause it does always at critical times on this site...it is such a crappy BS site...You can not play good poker there and get rewarded...in the long run...I am really tired of playing in some stupid rebuy tournamnet for 6 hours and then getting slayed with a set up situation every time...to make 50 bucks or mnore likey to bubble!...while the donks take the bigger money! I have a million bad beat ridiculous stories about that site...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...anyhoo thanks for letting me vent
I hope this site goes down

Only thing i can suggest is not to play games where you cant afford to lose without it upsetting you

GL

[disgruntledone]

lmao, sorry for your loss. My advice "don't play there anymore"! I no longer have to worry about Pokerstars as the DOJ solved my problem.

I appreciate that...and your advice is taken...no more feeding money into that site!!!, but I did just spend some time researching the absolute and ultimate scam...so the people who say it does not happen are seriously deluded...big money, big scams...be careful people and have fun!
disgruntled

[disgruntledone]

Only thing i can suggest is not to play games where you cant afford to lose without it upsetting you

GL

When I am playing any stakes and making the right plays and getting toasted by pokerstars time and time again it is frustrating...if you dont mind losing your hard earned money to the nebulous world of online gambling then you are a rare breed...of course there is always bad beat stories, live or online..been the victor and the victim....but there is something very very wrong with this site....set up poker...just the amount of flush draws that hit alone are cause for a red flag...unless you are in a situation where it is a critical time in a tourney, and a huge pot is on the line...blankety frickin blank...
it is a joke and if you trust it then good for you...enjoy...
but like I said I am out...I HAVE ZERO FAITH IN BIG BUSINESS ON LINE GAMBLING>>> I am amazed that people defend it...like these people are angels who run the site who have nothing to gain...wake up
disgruntled

[Ramster]

I HAVE ZERO FAITH IN BIG BUSINESS ON LINE GAMBLING

Well i,for one,wouldnt be putting my "hard-earned" into something i thought was dodgy

I read this somewhere and when i feel as if the poker gods are against me i read it again and somehow everything falls into place

"Its a funny old game which plays with your emotions, kinda like when i see my wife walk out the shower still nude across the landing towards the bedroom and gives me a smile, me thinking i have the nutz im allin running into the bedroom only to find shes got her nickers on and tells me it was just a normal smile and theres no chance of getting there.
some days you just get there without trying and some days buying diamonds are not going to get you there. poker and women are both bitches that i will never fully understand."

[Assistanc3]

..early position JJ raise 3X the blind to 750 from early postion.

why not play good poker instead of playing like the fish your complaining about.
anyone know the nickname for pocket jacks?

[scrawnybob]

hi

I hate to be a grouch on your first post etc but clearly you DONT read things properly

1) The Absolute / UltimateBet scandals did NOT involve ANY changing or abuse of the RNG ... none what so ever ... if it had been possible to slew them they would have done and it would have saved them cheating the way they did

the absolute and ultimatebet scandal involved a couple of high up staff members abusing a backdoor and cheating player by being able to see the hole cards ... NOT change them and NOT see them in advance of the deal

2) To compare the worlds largest & one of the most regulated with Absolute / UB is rediculous ... they are not owned by the same people for a start

so how would the running of the one have any bearing on the other ?

thats like comparing BMW with Arthur Daley

3) There are umpteen scientific tests proving people have a totally selective memory of good luck / bad luck

4) In your "bad beat" you have no information on stack sizes (that makes a huge difference on players legitmate range) and you have alreayd decided you are up against a "PS donk"

you know what the reality is 90% of players are one type of donk or another ... thats the point

everyone thinks they are a winner or should be a winner but for 90% to ultimately be net losing players for the good 10% to keep winning so consistently on actual skill that means somewhere in the region of 60% of players are deluding themselves they are better than they actually are

playing "by the book" is NOT a winning formula if you play like a robot and you are convinced all players who make the odd hero call or hero move all-in with junk or a semi bluff are donks you are totally wrong and this is a huge hole in your game - being convinced that the odds should play out everytime is a big big school boy error

and also not factoring in bluffing, reading a bluff, making a move and being able to read a move is alot a marker to not being a good player ...

good players do not win by playing TAG ABC poker so nitty and by the book that they can be read like a book

in the original example the all-in came from someone with a semi-bluff and some balls afaiks - that it got derailed by another caller should have maybe signalled to you that your JJ wasnt good

there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the player in the BB going all-in NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING ... I said NOTHING

you said early 3x raise to 750 with 4 callers ... thats 3k in the pot for a start with significantly none of those 4 callers having the balls to come over the top ...

That is a huge huge huge sign to an actually good player to make a move even from the BB because effectively for that round only he is the last to act and will almost certainly expect everyone to fold ... maybe bar one player with a good hand ... however there is so much in the pot this move can and could be +ev ... he is NOT a psdonk for playing like that

ok playing face up poker it was good for you with the "best" hand but you shouldnt be playing on that basis - JJ is a very difficult hand to play correctly

if I 3bet with JJ then had 4 callers for 750 then an all-in ... any half decent player is considering giving that hand up far far far more than they should be considering calling with it

you should have FOLDED and respected the outplay of the BB seeing an opportunity to gain leverage and strength in addition to his actual cards

hopefully there is some useful advice in there as well as putting you straight on uncomparible sites and situations

nobody has anytime for UB or Absolute and that includes all the other sites - the scandal didnt do the industry any favours at all - because people dont read the full facts on the situation and then think everyone else is the same - they're not

cheers scrawnybob

ps. having written the post in haste I forgot to properly clarify the JJ fold option - what I am saying is the OP make out its like a totally no brainer to call "with the best hand" but from the play its more debatable how strong the JJ hand now is - so while all the extra money IS a big tempter that shouldnt make it a snap call just from deciding he is a PSdonk and the limited info

it might feel like a great spot to get the money in or a tough spot to make the right fold

[Poker Orifice]

I appreciate that...and your advice is taken...no more feeding money into that site!!!, but I did just spend some time researching the absolute and ultimate scam...so the people who say it does not happen are seriously deluded...big money, big scams...be careful people and have fun!
disgruntled

Researched it? For how many hands/games? I've seen guys with over 1million hands on Stars & they have nothing out of the ordinary to report (as far as hands being 'setup' or 'rigged' etc.)
I actually don't play all that much on Stars (maybe 700 mtt/sng altogether... idk.. maybe a bit more than that, but not alot, & ~20,000hands of micro ring over the past 4yrs.) & I haven't won much or lost much, just a bit better than break-even. I didn't find anything out of the ordinary on there. What I did find though was that in micro level SNG's, there are ALOT of lousy players (fish, donks, etc.) & as a result you will experience alot of variance. Marginally higher buyins you will find better players but at the same time you will get owned by the regulars unless you yourself have put in a ton of time learning the game (even in the $5 avg buyin Sng's 27plyr I have seen players with over 40,000 games played who are turning a great profit in them.. they have put in the time studying the game to do this!). Other sites (ie. Fulltilt) I found there weren't quite as many overly loose/overaggro spewy donks in the micro buyin SNG's (~$5) & play was a bit different. I actually preferred the play on the other sites at those buyin levels but also preferred the tournament structures on the other sites too.

Pretty sure with the JJ hand we obviously get it in with the BB's shove & will be disappointed if anyothers come along (whether they're priced in or not makes a difference). Even vs. BB's range we might not be in great shape with JJ but with the deadmoney in the pot it makes for an enticing call (or more likely a reraise shove to isolate... but without knowing the exact particulars of a hand it's difficult to comment). Seeing what the others called off with, I highly doubt this was even at a buyin over $1.

cliffs: If I could find tables where villain was willing to call off with T6o when there's been a 3bet shove & a 4bet allin iso shove.. I'd be playing on there ALL DAY LONG & making a shitload of money doing so. OP seems to not like FISH who will call off stacks preflop with T6o??? (perhaps he only likes it when they showdown AA?)

sidenote: it's sad to hear how the negative publicity some sites have received has effected some folks general view of online poker. OP, IMO, online poker ROCKS!!!! It is an awesome hobby for me, one that I thoroughly enjoy! (& I actually make money at it too.. which is really weird cuz most of my other hobbies actually cost me money). Even if it did cost me money & I wasn't a 'winning player' I would still love it. I love the game of poker & having it so readily available to me online, where I can play against good, different, bad, excellent & sometimes GREAT players from around the world is just a freakin' awesome thing!! How cool is this (think about it), I can fire up my computer & within minutes (sometimes seconds) I can be on the tables competing in large-field tournaments (for CHEAP!! even) with some guy from Russia, another from the UK, another from Japan, some guy from Brazil, a couple from Germany (< donkenschntizels, jk) & maybe another Canadian or two. I think that is a VERY COOL thing & I am soooooooooooo grateful for the oppurtunity to have this available to me.

[Poker Orifice]

One more brief (or maybe not so brief, lol) comment re: online poker in general for OP (disgruntled).
This is just an example here for ya...
My neighbour has been playing poker for over 40yrs. He's managed cardrooms, he's travelled around the world (Vegas often), he's organized & held many Tournaments, he plays in quite a few home games, etc. etc. He's a 'recreational player' but with alot of experience - - he doesn't play for 'big' money but has played ALOT! (in live setting he typically plays $2/$5,$3/$6, $5/$10 PLO & Omaha H/L (stakes depending upon how they're set up where he's playing). Online he only plays $0.50/$1.00 (sometimes $0.25/$0.50) & typically plays 4 tables (not many compared to 'real' players online).
Quite awhile back now, I asked him (when I was newer to online poker), "What is the difference in play like between online & live?" His response, "Are you kidding? There is NO comparison at all. The guys I meet up with on the online tables are superb players in comparison to live players without question. It's not even close!!!" {online he is basically a break-even player, profitting basically from rakeback bonuses < which incidentally he has many...ie. laptop computers (3 of them now!), 50" plasma bigscreen TV, etc. etc.).

My experience has been similiar: only 10nl tables are comparable to $1/$2 live (yah.. you heard that right, $0.05/$0.10 has similiar skill level to $1/$2 live games, although imo the 10nl tables probably have a larger percentage of decent players on them & the game plays somewhat differently > live play you're often very deepstacked & even if not you'll see alot of players calling off BIG 3bets preflop without implied odds with all kinds of stuff, in hopes of hitting that lottery on the flop (< this is just my experience)).
Also as far as Tournament poker goes, when I'm playing a $10buyin MTT online, the majority of the players are FAR better than most of my table when I'm playing a $100buyin live. Again, there's really no comparison.

So.... to have the oppurtunity to be able to play online, 'on the cheap' is just sooooo awesome I can't even begin to explain it.