Bodog and Ultimate bet gives bad luck after you play a lot

[Faen]

Been playing a lot last months, and seems like if you play there and win for a while you'll start to become extremely unlucky. For example if i havent played for a day, i'll have normal luck and at least make profits. Then after i've won some the sites will constantly give me bad situations. Such as giving me good hands while the opponent has better. For example if i flop a set, the opponent has straight or four kinds etc. Every single time i got a good hand today the opponent gets better. It's crazy.. If i have bottom straight the opponent has top straight, if i have straight the opponent has flush, and so on...

I really doubt this is a coincidence. It really is coded such that you make money in the beginning, but then lose more.. I'm dissapointed that it is not poker I'm playing on these sites, but just a card game coded to make money for the owners without realistic poker probabilities... According to these retard pokersite probabilities it is now EV+ to fold all great flops if you have played for more than 6 hours... The idea behind coding the poker with these unrealistic probabilities is to get you addicted, then make you lose money such that you deposit more.

Anybody else noticed anything similar?

[scrawnybob]

hi

where to start on yet another thin and unscientific rigtard first post ?

bottom end of a straight - was, is and always will be a weak hand - live, online or anywhere

its simply the weakest hand you can make on a board that has straight potential

so thats not rigged - thats bad play or over expectation of how often you will get away with winning with this type of hand

"According to these retard pokersite probabilities it is now EV+ to fold all great flops if you have played for more than 6 hours"

is probably one of the daftest quotes ever - 6 hours is simply no time at all in poker - its absolutely no time or number of hands in probability or statistics to use as a sample

seriously when you have 200,000 hands then maybe you can start to see where your mistakes are and maybe probability has had some time to level out

I'm not even convinced variance comes into play I think its more a total over expectation for hands to win and for odds to have 100% certainly - that isnt how odds and probability works

welcome to the forum - but hope you can post more with more open mind to where the problem might be and other members will be able to help you improve

cheers SB

[Faen]

hi

where to start on yet another thin and unscientific rigtard first post ?

bottom end of a straight - was, is and always will be a weak hand - live, online or anywhere

its simply the weakest hand you can make on a board that has straight potential

so thats not rigged - thats bad play or over expectation of how often you will get away with winning with this type of hand

"According to these retard pokersite probabilities it is now EV+ to fold all great flops if you have played for more than 6 hours"

is probably one of the daftest quotes ever - 6 hours is simply no time at all in poker - its absolutely no time or number of hands in probability or statistics to use as a sample

seriously when you have 200,000 hands then maybe you can start to see where your mistakes are and maybe probability has had some time to level out

I'm not even convinced variance comes into play I think its more a total over expectation for hands to win and for odds to have 100% certainly - that isnt how odds and probability works

welcome to the forum - but hope you can post more with more open mind to where the problem might be and other members will be able to help you improve

cheers SB

Well, have you tried those poker sites yourself? If i have bottom straight, i have higher probability to win than to not win. Out of thirteen cards, only one or certain combination of two cards can beat the bottom straight, so it is max 20% chance that one of two opponents has it or so.. This surely isn't the weakest situation.

If you read my post, i did play probably something like 200 k hands since i said that i have been playing a lot the past months. What i have noticed after playing such a huge number of hands is that if i play for more than 6 hours, i get more unlucky situations. Such as the few times i actually hit jackpot with a good hand, the opponent has something better. If you have any knowlegde about poker you should realize that this is unlikely. My explanation for why it happens is because the poker sites wants you to win in the beginning to get you hooked, then make you lose so you will deposit after you win.. I always win in the beginning and first time i try certain games, until luck (or fixed probability coding of the sites) start to turn.. I'm starting to get convinced after playing a lot, and it is really dissapointing since i wanna play poker and not bullshit fixed probabilities.

As you say i have over expectations to win with good hands, hence why i suggest folding every good hands on these stupid sites since the opponent will always have something even better.. It's not even selective memory, it's every single time, which would be extremely unlikely if the coding wasn't fixed..

[Dan Abnormal]

YEA BOB HAVE YOU EVER TRIED THESE FN SITES YOURSELF

SOrry couldnt resist

[Ramster]

Well, have you tried those poker sites yourself? If i have bottom straight, i have higher probability to win than to not win. Out of thirteen cards, only one or certain combination of two cards can beat the bottom straight, so it is max 20% chance that one of two opponents has it or so.. This surely isn't the weakest situation.

My explanation for why it happens is because the poker sites wants you to win in the beginning to get you hooked, then make you lose so you will deposit after you win..

Do you have any HH you can post with examples
Once others can disect yours or opponents plays they might have a bit of sympathy with you


As far as sites wanting you to win in the beginning
Why would they favour you or anybody else in any situation

For all they know you could be a hit 'n' runner
and they dont benefit from that

[Faen]

Do you have any HH you can post with examples
Once others can disect yours or opponents plays they might have a bit of sympathy with you


As far as sites wanting you to win in the beginning
Why would they favour you or anybody else in any situation

For all they know you could be a hit 'n' runner
and they dont benefit from that

It's common knowledge that casinos want you to win in the beginning then lose more money later. That's how they earn money right? Why not implement it in the code? That should answer your question of "why". Also if there are more non hit n runners than hit n runners, they still profit.

I'm not asking for sympathy, just asking if anybody else has noticed anything similar on those sites i mentioned or perhaps any other poker sites.

[Dan Abnormal]

damn it - you fools - it is common knowledge

[scrawnybob]

hi

ok I'll ignore the "have I even played bodog or ultimatebet" bit as I have played both a fair bit ... thats part of reviewing sites

anyway no matter

there is a bunch of stuff that is probably better left to other members to pick up on and definately post HH if you can because we will all help

the most crucial and telling part of you post is the bit about

"It's common knowledge that casinos want you to win in the beginning then lose more money later. That's how they earn money right?"

well YES for Casino Games ... games with a house advantage are designed to ultimately earn money for the casino ... that is what the 0 and the 00 is there for on a roulette table ... its the house advantage.

But even on casino games they dont NEED to rig them at all ... the house edge is there in the rules of casino games

BUT POKER IS NOT A CASINO GAME ... YOU ARE NOT PLAYING THE HOUSE

There is zero incentive for the "house" or casino or poker room to rig poker to advantage one players cards over another or to make good hands get beaten by even better hands (the rake is capped for a start) ... they are only interested in the rake raking constantly over the long term it makes no difference how the rake gets raked ... it will get raked

The fact that you use this as evidence or reason for what you think they are doing takes away any credence of any other suggestions

Poker is played between players and the house "charges rent" on the whole game

Casino games are played AGAINST the house where eventually the odds of the game are in favour of the house so in exactly the same way as bricks and mortar casinos the online casinos will win out eventually on casino games

they are NOT the same thing

If i have bottom straight, i have higher probability to win than to not win. Out of thirteen cards, only one or certain combination of two cards can beat the bottom straight, so it is max 20% chance that one of two opponents has it or so.. This surely isn't the weakest situation.

No

if you have bottom straight you have a much higher possibility of losing alot more money in that hand to someone else who has a better straight ...

this is exactly why decent players will tell you time and time again that certain hands and certain situations will cost you far far far more money than others ...

making bottom end of a straight (looks good - often ends up losing and those time you loose you will loose alot more than you make when you win)

making flush with 2 weak suited hole cards (vunerable to better flush and or someone hitting better flish with only a single suited hole card)

betting / raising too hard with AK (looks good but usually misses or loses to pocket pair or someone pairing the board with anything other than and ace or a king)

this isnt due to figuring out a rigged RNG or bias or whatever this is down to the simple and correct application on odds and probabilities and also understanding what hands players will play, how and why

this is very similar to a fix another member found they were in making a straight (thinking they had a lock) and then losing to an "improbable" looking full house ... whenever the board is paired there is always a possibility and sometimes a good one that they have made a full house, regardless of you making a straight you have to consider that possibility

hopefully plenty of members will help you out but you need to see the difference between poker / poker players / probability / poker odds and the totally different casino house edge / odds of casino games

cheers SB

[Faen]

Thanks for your reply. It is true that the rake is there to earn money for the poker room. But they could still earn additional money if new players experience success , on the cost of those who are already addicted. Thus new players will become addicted as well and they'll have more costumers. To benefit from this, tweak the probability coding something like this

if(playerhours > 6){ giveShitSituations(playername)}

By shit situations i mean situations where it is normally EV+ to bet a lot but will still end up losing since the opponent "unluckily" has an even better hand. As you mentioned as well, certain situations are more costly than others. These are the situations i'm talking about.

I know it is possible to be unlucky, but when everytime i have something better than top pair the opponent has something even better you have to agree that that is quite unlikely. My experience is such that if i have taken a break from a particular poker room i win a lot, and if i've played for many hours i lose. Thus my observation fits with the mentioned theory.

[Assistanc3]

I love threads about variance