horrible

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I was playing with a local buy in buy out game with some guys i work with. I was sitting with the nuts flush off the flop. the flop was J 3 8 of diamons and i had AK. So the guy 2 left of me bets 5 and i smooth call next comes a Q of spades. I check it to him and he bets 10 and then i raise to 20 he ends upgoing all in and i call. So the pot is a little over 70 bucks. he flips to show J 3 and i show my AK. Then the river comes with another 3 to give him the boat! AHHHHHH

[scrawnybob]

hi

yep thats horrible but ...

I think he did have a valid hand and played it for where he thought he was - 2 pair on the flop (obviously he would fear the made flush - which you had) but also he feared you drawing to the flush

I think looking at the betting he didnt make such a crazy play - but you did get unlucky

looking at the way you bet it you disguised your made flush so well with your betting he firmly decided that you were still drawing

when the turn came up blank - you checked (possible sign of still drawing) he bet out to see what you would do - you re-raised minimum which is going to make him feel like he is the hunter not the hunted I think

so he goes all-in thinking you haven't raised him big enough to have the made flush on the flop so he wants to close the hand down so you cant draw to the flush (assuming you only have one in your hand not two) - I dont think he expected you had what you had

the rest is just bad luck - he always had the possibility to hit the full house - I've had that happen before

hope that makes you feel a bit better

cheers scrawnybob

[9ontheriver07]

t is so sick i usually give bad beats though lol

[leweyxx2000]

All beats suck, and they are gonna happen..If Ihad a nickle for every bad beat I have suffered I wouldn't have to play poker again...

[gnk2727]

Originally Posted by scrawnybob

hi

yep thats horrible but ...

I think he did have a valid hand and played it for where he thought he was - 2 pair on the flop (obviously he would fear the made flush - which you had) but also he feared you drawing to the flush

I think looking at the betting he didnt make such a crazy play - but you did get unlucky

looking at the way you bet it you disguised your made flush so well with your betting he firmly decided that you were still drawing

when the turn came up blank - you checked (possible sign of still drawing) he bet out to see what you would do - you re-raised minimum which is going to make him feel like he is the hunter not the hunted I think

so he goes all-in thinking you haven't raised him big enough to have the made flush on the flop so he wants to close the hand down so you cant draw to the flush (assuming you only have one in your hand not two) - I dont think he expected you had what you had

the rest is just bad luck - he always had the possibility to hit the full house - I've had that happen before

hope that makes you feel a bit better

cheers scrawnybob

Great analysis Bob! Its hard to get max value out of hands sometimes. The reason being if you play it too hard and too fast then you will get no action. However if you play it too slow then you risk getting sucked out on. I think in this case the right play is to bet the turn hard (pot size bet). You had to take the lead at the turn with your betting. Some people are not smart enough to know that a check raise on the turn is the sign of a very strong hand usually. The other way to play the pot would have been to check raise all in on the turn. He became the better and you the caller, not a good way to play IMHO...........

But, even said all that Im not still sure that he wouldnt have called you all in on the turn anyway........by the sounds of it......

[isaac]

I would have to say that that is pretty darn bad, but not the worst. I conviently have done that exact thing in a livker game, exept that i t was a tournament. YOu can't really blame him for not laying down 2 pairs. It is pretty dam hard, and bad beats will always be a part of poker.

[isaac]

I would have to say that that is pretty darn bad, but not the worst. I conviently have done that exact thing in a livker game, exept that i t was a tournament. YOu can't really blame him for not laying down 2 pairs. It is pretty dam hard, and bad beats will always be a part of poker.

[gnk2727]

Originally Posted by isaac

I would have to say that that is pretty darn bad, but not the worst. I conviently have done that exact thing in a livker game, exept that i t was a tournament. YOu can't really blame him for not laying down 2 pairs. It is pretty dam hard, and bad beats will always be a part of poker.

Originally Posted by isaac

I would have to say that that is pretty darn bad, but not the worst. I conviently have done that exact thing in a livker game, exept that i t was a tournament. YOu can't really blame him for not laying down 2 pairs. It is pretty dam hard, and bad beats will always be a part of poker.

So bad you posted it 2x????????

[jacks_off4me]

i think its called "duplicate posts"

he wanted to make sure that we saw the first one by addind the second post - ju.....st kidding.

as for the original post- i think that the hand was played this way and it couldnt be played in any other way.

say you get to the river ans see the final 3 on board. would you still be able to fold your nut flush with the big slick completing it?? i doubt it....

these are cards mates.... every hand can win at any time.

what could he do there?? "fold" the AK?!

perrrrrrrrlease......
it was a bad bad luck.

[Ripclawph]

A total bad beat alright!
you can't really expect things to go on your way always,
you'll never know what you're gonna get...

you played a good game anyway... it just turns out he's
luckier that you are...

cheers!!!