too many donks

[hayden1009]

I have said before and I will say again more and more donks are playing and makeing bad calls and winning.

example tonite

final table of 300 players

have 10 queen in big blind

one caller and we have almost the same amount of chips around 40k

I raise from the BB to 3k and he calls

flop is 10 queen 8

I think about it and then go all in....he calls my all in and turns over ace 4

turn 4

river ace

how can you make it to the final table and call a raise with ace rag then call an all in when you hit nothing in flop


I am at a loss for words.

[scrawnybob]

hi

if you'd said the guy was short staked and on the button I could almost understand it - but like you said how could he call your all in with such a weak hand with two picture cards showing ??

There are some crazy bad players out there - but also some crazy good players too

cheers scrawnybob

[Dazzler69]

wow that is shocking. Its that type of thing that will put people off playing poker I think. Imagine your new to poker, you researched it, you've read Super System, etc, you get to a game and play the way that you think you should according to all the books and advice columns you've read and then you lose out to some b**l*hit like that.

[scrawnybob]

hi

yep I think the poker books / advice ARE useful but you can't allow for idiots - fortunately if you stick to playing well - then the times you get beat will be outweighed by the times you win

In order to win you want to be playing players who are worse than you - and certainly not as good as Doyle Brunson

But with all these new crazy / lucky players you can see why the pro's are tearing their hair out when they're playing 6000 entries at the WSOP

Against one lucky idiot you have very good odds to win much more than you loose

against a whole table full you are going to get beat a whole lot too

If you really have got a strong tactical game then you may do better looking for games and playing against moderate players -

ie. ones you can out think - because they are actually thinking

alternatively play the loose tables but DONT try to get creative - just play very tight selective & aggressive poker

cheers scrawnybob

[murko]

Originally Posted by hayden1009

how can you make it to the final table and call a raise with ace rag then call an all in when you hit nothing in flop


I am at a loss for words.

Making it to final table with that play is not likely. Cant imagine he had that kind of hits on pure luck so far, but I dont know.

Its not really a bad call, its a horrific call he makes. Maybe he read you compleatly wrong? Did you bluff a lot before the FT on this tourney? Maybe he figured you for a Ax aswell, but if he did, that dont justify the call. It would have been a bad call if you had A7 aswell ,o)

[hayden1009]

No I dont bluff a lot as a matter of fact I would describe my play as tight agressive. But I have to be honest I dont think it matter with most players as I dont think they really watch the table...they just play the hand they have in front of them....let me give you an example

The other nite I won a tounry at bet fred and we had 2 mouthy players who made the final table and as I knocked each out they got mouthier yet ..one called me the luckiest player on the planet and the other said all I did was bluff a lot....so I checked my stats and it showed I saw the flop 17% of the time ...17% ....that means I didnt see the blinds enough to even see my own blinds all the time so ! they had no idea what they were talking about and 2 they must be ignorant....when a player who sits for hands at a time blows the dust off the chips and suddenly re raises you then its time to back off and fold. ONline is less about skills these days and more about being a little more lucky and being a lot less unlucky.

[murko]

Originally Posted by hayden1009

But I have to be honest I dont think it matter with most players as I dont think they really watch the table...they just play the hand they have in front of them

that is very much so yes. Atleast at low limit cashgames where it maybe "should" be but even higher up when the stakes grow bigger I find a tendence to this at online poker. This is just general speaking cause I know for a fact that I dont play like that ,o)

Speaking tornaments where I play a huge range, from $2-3 freezeOuts to $50 rebuys (higher buyIns than that I usually play cause I made it through a Sattelite, but thats not the point) and if we talk about those higher buy-in tournaments I see a higher % of ppl on the finaltable that play more than their own hands.


Damn I am tired. I make no sence ,o)

Going to bed

[scrawnybob]

hi hayden

I like that "trying to be a bit less unlucky" thats a really cool way to sum it up I reckon

Some of the bad mouthing that goes on is just plain stupid - half the time, no 90% of the time the ones who get sore are the idiots at the table - but then you know what they say -

if you cant spot the sucker at the table - then your the sucker

If only they actually took this on board - then again I wish I learnt and applied it more myself - I try to play way to many hands assuming that the way I play would be actually thought about - when in fact your right most of the time - they just aren't thinking the same way at all.

I always forget that you can't play a $5 SnG the same way as a $20-$50 SnG and alot of the time it comes back to bite me.

Also the time of day and the sites you play make a big difference even for the same stake of game I've found - eg. pokerroom players are a bit more savvy and likely to respect a play - where as Titan / PokerHeaven / Poker.com players are not - really I guess it's down to playing the right sort of game for the conditions - If only I could do that more ;-(

cheers scrawnybob