Bad Beat???????

[Dazzler69]

I was playing an S'nG last night and it was down to 3of us. All about the same chips and all playing pretty well, none of us had won a huge stack from a lucky catch or anything and then something happened that changed the game.

I was in big blind, the guy on the button went All-in and the SB called straight away so i folded my garbage. THey show the cards, the guy on the Button has AA(hearts and diamonds) and the SB has KK(spade and diamond). THe board is dealt and the flop is all spades, the turn is a heart and the river is a spade meaning the SB wins with a flush. THe guy with AA goes out 3rd but sticks around for like 10-15mins givin the guy shit about how it was a bad beat etc etc.

I was thinkin that I would call an all-in with KK in his position as well, granted catching a flush like that was lucky but surely it's not a bad beat though.

Any thoughts, I know Harry Lime and Bob will prob help me with this!! lol

[scrawnybob]

If I had KK down to 3 players I'd have called - no question - and any position I think - but definately on the small blind -

I'd figure it for a steal with less than KK - probably alot less - and you need to defend your blinds by then - even with less than KK I'd be thinking about making a stand - obviously not if I had junk though

you did the right thing to stay out of it - you want action but that doesnt always mean you need to be a part of it to get players out

I dont think the guy with AA had any right to bitch about it - KK made a perfectly valid play - no bad beat there IMHO

In fact I think the guy with AA on the button didn't make a particularly good play with only 3 players left - you want to steal the blinds on semi bluff hands - so all-in's with hands that you want to take down there and then

AA you want to take someone out with - not find you'd scared them off - he was lucky the other guy had a valid hand to call with otherwise he could have wasted the best hand in the deck for just the blinds

Mostly or maybe never or maybe always ;-) I would slow play my strongest hands in heads up or 3 players left in an SnG - your not going to get these hands often so you want to take someone out

The Allin AA mentality (which is mostly nearly right) for early in the game is not I feel the right way to play them when your in the money - same goes for KK, QQ & JJ

If I had AA or high PP on the button I would put in a 1x raise - make it look like a weak attempt at a steal and wait for a call / raise from the SB and then from the BB

you've then picked up at least another 2 bets before you then re-re-raise over the top
and probably end up heads up with all your money in and more of a chance of getting some of one players and all of anothers

This is almost certain to work in this situation - much easier to get players pot committed at this stage - especially if as you said the stacks were about level

Good for you sitting back and staying out the way - you picked up at least 2nd just for being patient and knowing when to leave a hand well alone

cheers scrawnybob

[harry lime]

yes, i totally agree with scrawnybob, he has to call with KK, 3 handed and in the small blind. and why on earth did 2 A's go all in pre flop, 3 handed ? of course, he doesn't want to slow play pre flop but if anyone played the hand wrongly it was him and he has no right to bitch.

for me a bad beat is when a player makes a bad play (usually chasing something) and gets very lucky against the odds. clearly our K's thinks he probably has the best hand so his play is perfectly valid. cards coming against the odds is not necessarily a bad beat (i think this is a common misunderstanding) - it's just poker. that is ultimately why it is still a gambling game unless you have "the nuts".

given A's stupid reaction, i say good luck to him !

[Dazzler69]

Cheers guys that is pretty much what i thought. Ok, if i have AA in a situation like that my 1st reaction tends to be all-in but I hardly ever do it, in the same I dont think I would lay down KK like that. I knew I could count on you two to clear it up for me thanks.

[sandar]

i was playing last night flopped a boat and of course I went allin some guy called me and he ended up getting 4 of a kind on the river.

[kapri]

I don't undestnd that what is the bad beat?
Someone pls tell me.

[Champ]

The bad beat is something like
AA vs 72 off suited before flop
..And you lose after river AA vs 222

[uFearMeDntu]

There's no doubt about it, when your in that position 3-handed you do not think about folding KK, you call in an instance.