KJ versus KT

[luzipher]

Was today in Carbon FR.

I limp in medium position with KJu, everybody folds (including SB) and BB check.
Flop: KJ5 (I think was a 5 but dont remember and I haven't hand history here)
TWO clubs there

BB bet, and I raise. He went allin immediately and after a few seconds I called.
I was happy when I saw his cards: KcT

But... club in turn, club in river and I was out.

[TroyC]

That's just the random luck... correct play, correct call...sometimes SPP [stupid poker pays]; Try not to analyze it as win/lose but correct play/incorrect play. Possibly not enough of a raise pre-flop [however comma I have found sometimes that doesn't seem to matter as much in on-line play].

The reason it's 95% 5% is that the other guy still has a chance

IMHO::: Both KJ & KT are vulnerable hands [Any AK/AT, KQ etc]

Keep playing correctly and over time you'll be up -- and know ahead of time that there will be suck-outs....I find knowing that you're gonna get sucked out 10% of the time on ave, makes it an easier pill to swallow...

hth,
TroyC

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

It happens that way sometimes.

Its not overly clear what the stacks were or the stage of the tournament.

Was it early and you just wanted to limp and see what happened?

This I don't like. Depending on the table and players left to act I'll open from middle with a raise here. Looks like the others were going to fold to even a limp, another plus for the raise.

Sure KT in big blind against raise in position. Hmmmm, stage of tournament and stacks important here as well as his view of you. So he calls, at least when you raise a move from another player behind you or him gives you better information generally.

Raise not limp here.

So we 're seeing a flop

Ah top two pair. Nice but will it last. the flop holding clubs. He bets at the pot, you don't really know where you are but you have a hand and raise, he puts all of his chips in, and you do too (corrrectly) with the best and he hits runner runner to knock you out.

The bet at the flop from him could mean anything. He might think you've limped with an A and missed the flop, he could have AA,KK, QQ,JJ, AK-AJ, 55, strong 2 clubs, the list goes on. You could be ahead you could very well be a big dog. My point is you don't know enough. If you raised rather than limped you would probably have better information.

Is the rasise correct? Well knowing the cards yes. What about a call here? I'm not even going there

Would have preferred the raise preflop, but you'll always find one that calls and gets lucky.

Luck doesn't pay, aggression does.

[luzipher]

mmm, I think the way the hand was developed a raise would not have given good information at all.
I couldn't make a big raise, because I hadn't a strong enough hand to do that (of course, I could try to steal the blinds, but not at this moment)

A raise between 2 and 3 BB it would have been paid without problem with his KT.
And after the flop I think he would have made the same movement.

In addition, between me and blinds there was a maniac player that went allin preflop after a raise a couple of times in the last 5 or 6 hands, so I didn't wanna be dealing with this guy, trying to stole my raise, because I couldn't call an allin with this hand (he have a bigger stack than me).