how can u justify callin this all-in with A9o, idiot

[leet222]

PokerStars Game #17914484158: Tournament #90721685, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/06/04 - 16:07:59 (ET)
Table '90721685 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: leet222 (1060 in chips)
Seat 2: alfie181106 (1990 in chips)
Seat 3: spud180974 (1250 in chips)
Seat 4: JonasQuinn23 (1040 in chips)
Seat 5: fulton31 (1540 in chips)
Seat 6: wrightystuff (1460 in chips)
Seat 7: kilted fello (1810 in chips)
Seat 8: brokerald (1970 in chips)
Seat 9: PokerBozzie (1450 in chips)
alfie181106: posts small blind 10
spud180974: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to leet222 [Qd Qs]
JonasQuinn23: folds
fulton31: folds
wrightystuff: raises 140 to 160
kilted fello: folds
brokerald: folds
PokerBozzie: folds
leet222: raises 900 to 1060 and is all-in
alfie181106: folds
spud180974: folds
wrightystuff: calls 900
*** FLOP *** [7c 2d 3c]
*** TURN *** [7c 2d 3c] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [7c 2d 3c Ac] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wrightystuff: shows [9h As] (a pair of Aces)
leet222: shows [Qd Qs] (a pair of Queens)
wrightystuff collected 2150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2150 | Rake 0
Board [7c 2d 3c Ac Td]
Seat 1: leet222 (button) showed [Qd Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: alfie181106 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: spud180974 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: JonasQuinn23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: fulton31 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: wrightystuff showed [9h As] and won (2150) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: kilted fello folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: brokerald folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PokerBozzie folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[willie beaman]

You just got knocked out by a loose player. An all-in reraise should have signaled strenght to him. He probably though tyou were making a move on the pot. With it being early in the tourney, that's a spot where a fold should have occured. A lot of looser players play at those limits, so good luck in the future. If possible, give an account of the play going on at the table before this hand.

[leet222]

it was only the 5th or 6th hand but he was calling with any 2 cards about 3 or 4 hands later he was out that says it all


heres the odds

before the flop

leet222
win 71.34%
tie 0.38%
lose 28.28%


him
as above but reversed

on the turn

leet222
win 85.65%
tie 0%
lose 14.34%


him
as above but reversed


need i say anymore

[GypsyTea]

http://www.4kingpoker.com/forum/tour...html#post36369

GT

[leet222]

very well said

[leet222]

tell u what il post another 1 about an hour before this 1 in a different tourney

[scrawnybob]

hi

that was unlucky but

(probably contraversally) I dont agree with your preflop re-raise all-in with QQ

the blinds are 10/20 he raises by 140 in early position with no callers before him

at this stage in the game you all have very limited information on each other - so I wouldnt rule out a very valid strong hand anymore than not ruling our a loose aggressive player wanting to dominate the table early on

It's worth remembering that he has your chips covered 3-2 so an all-in move by you is going to affect you the most either negatively or positively - he would survive either way

Maybe I can be a scaredy cat sometimes but I would at least be thinking he could have AA or KK or KA - classic over raising hands for some players

to re-raise back all-in (personally) I think is a bad move preflop with QQ

your risking 1000 odd chips

a) to potentially pick up 140 if he folds ... thus wasting a good hand when you could win more

b) potentially losing all of your chips if he calls with KK or AA ... thus going out when you could stay in

GT will give you a Q & M of it all

but I would say the downs of going all-in preflop in this position outweigh the upside

better to have called and then seen the flop and played it from there ... it might not have changed a thing but I think you potentially put you head on the board a bit too early

cheers scarwnybob

[GypsyTea]

PokerStars Game #17914484158: Tournament #90721685, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/06/04 - 16:07:59 (ET)
Table '90721685 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button



Combined Blinds 30


Seat 1: leet222 (1060 in chips)--------------->DB = Hero Green Zone

Seat 2: alfie181106 (1990 in chips)----------->SB
Seat 3: spud180974 (1250 in chips)----------->BB


Seat 4: JonasQuinn23 (1040 in chips)
Seat 5: fulton31 (1540 in chips)
Seat 6: wrightystuff (1460 in chips)
Seat 7: kilted fello (1810 in chips)
Seat 8: brokerald (1970 in chips)
Seat 9: PokerBozzie (1450 in chips)
alfie181106: posts small blind 10
spud180974: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to leet222 [Qd Qs] ---------->QQ= 72% pre flop;-

http://www.badbeatornot.com/

JonasQuinn23: folds
fulton31: folds
wrightystuff: raises 140 to 160 ------> Villain Green Zone: rasies 13% chip stack, or 5 x combined blinds.

(NB* note I like a few others have started raising in proportion to a relationship to the COMBINED blinds NOT in relation to the BB, idea going around some LIVE Poker Seminars in Europe at the moment)

kilted fello: folds
brokerald: folds
PokerBozzie: folds

leet222: raises 900 to 1060 and is all-in -------->I think this has to be, with this chip stack the most efficient move

QQ 72.1% v A9o 27.5% Bad Beat or not - Free poker odds calculator for Texas Holdem

alfie181106: folds
spud180974: folds
wrightystuff: calls 900 --------> its a bit early for M&Q to make a difference in the thinking and calculation of this hand.

Now some times early, the money just goes allin, nothing you could do about it.

So Villian Raises, Hero Re-Raises ( rightly) Villian calls with our old Fav Ace-Rag off. Is it GOOD play by the Villian...For Me NO, Now I have to say here I am a member of a web site ( That I pay for information) and 05/06/08 It says in Stars 9s,on the above date. are HOT. This site tells you whats hot and cold in every poker site on the web in real time, and NO I am not giving any one the address out. sorry its INVITE ONLY.

*** FLOP *** [7c 2d 3c]
*** TURN *** [7c 2d 3c] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [7c 2d 3c Ac] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wrightystuff: shows [9h As] (a pair of Aces)
leet222: shows [Qd Qs] (a pair of Queens)
wrightystuff collected 2150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2150 | Rake 0
Board [7c 2d 3c Ac Td]
Seat 1: leet222 (button) showed [Qd Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: alfie181106 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: spud180974 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: JonasQuinn23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: fulton31 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: wrightystuff showed [9h As] and won (2150) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: kilted fello folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: brokerald folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PokerBozzie folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Not a lot more can be said that as not already been scripted in the thread.
Any one wants to work a few hands/odds out put this link on your desk top, and I think Bob owns the site so its Kosher.
Bad Beat or not - Free poker odds calculator for Texas Holdem

Regards All

I going to bed, I see you when I get back from a heavy poker tour.

Playwell

GT

[pirates831]

i agree with not pushing preflop. pushing preflop is for shortsacks and players who can't play postflop poker. clearly, your opponent has goal in a tournament: double up or move on to the next tournament. he sees an ace and figures its worth the shot. there are plent of players out there who play the same way (not that i'm one of them).

[TheLawyer]

Originally Posted by GypsyTea

Now I have to say here I am a member of a web site ( That I pay for information) and 05/06/08 It says in Stars 9s,on the above date. are HOT. This site tells you whats hot and cold in every poker site on the web in real time, and NO I am not giving any one the address out. sorry its INVITE ONLY.

People pay for this information, and there web site's out there with this information on them!
I do not think it is fair or right. How much is this web site too join and whats the www.address of them?