bad beat

lshion · #1 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 01:12 AM

A person from the BB raise the pot to 3k, blinds are 300/600. I call with J 10, flop comes Jc 10c 5c he raises to 9k i go all in with 24k he call with his remainder chips of 13k, he turns over Ac 3c turn 7d river kh he wins

wicked663 · #2 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 01:22 AM

I am not sure this qualifies as a bad beat. You called an awful lot with J 10 and then you call an all in when there is possible flush on the board. Sounds like you set your self up me.

midnightprelude1 · #3 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 05:45 AM

that was not a bad beat at all. You were behind the entire way as soon as the cards were dealt, a bad beat consists of getting all your money in when your ahead and the person catches something to suck out and beat you.

lshion · #4 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 02:57 PM

I did not set myself up for that one. I didn't think he had flop a flush. Plus i flopped 2 pair and was in position to take the chip lead.

wixx · #5 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 03:52 PM

2 pair on a scary flush board is not a bad beat. Bad beat would be if he called with Ac Kd and hit a forth club on the river...

mersocal · #6 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 10:49 PM

Gotta agree not really a bad beat just an unlucky layout of cards

pirates831 · #7 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 09:24 AM

there's a difference between a bad beat and a cold deck. this is a cold deck its hard to get away from two pair, but there are a lot of hands that beat you - JJ, TT, 55, the flush

Plus, if he has an overpair or an overpair with a high club he's got a big redraw.

scrawnybob · #8 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 10:28 AM

hi

I have to say that IMHO you calling a 5x BB raise (made from the BB) with only J 10 is ...

a bad call

J 10 is a very marginal hand preflop against any kind of raise ... generally any kind of 2+ xBB raise suggests some strength (even with 22 they would be ahead of you)

so I think you made the big mistake not folding 10 J in the first place

your pot odds are terrible ... holding KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10 I would call it but I would be very wary of the flop and what it brings

with any pair lower I would be very inclinded to fold

with mixed 10 or higher hand - I would insta fold 90% ... it simply isnt worth it

You need to ask yourself just what kind of flop would make you feel comfortable with your hand against a player who has shown such preflop aggression in early position ?

If he was stealing ... let him steal the blinds and whatever other small bets there were ... sometimes it is best to leave a hand and let them get away with a total bluff or a semi bluff

in this hand your not the aggressor ... you are the hunted

OK on odds etc seeing the flop you are ahead but not by as much as you'd think ... and a key factor is that he has shown preflop aggression from early postion so a 10 J suited flop would be giving him a straight and a flush draw with AK (very probable hand) or with QK open ended too

really analysing the hand in terms of post flop odds and bad beat factor looses sight of the important thing about this hand ...

ie. It was a very loose call of a sizable preflop raise - I'm not sure you should have been in the hand in the first place

not meant to be harsh - but if the above doesnt make sense then I urge you to read alot more ... you'll thank me in the long run ;-)

cheers scrawnybob

Nexrum · #9 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 10:53 PM

I hit quad 2's on the flop on absolutepoker and lost to quad 3's on runner runner doh

wicked663 · #10 (**permalink**) 07-17-2008, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrawnybob

hi

I have to say that IMHO you calling a 5x BB raise (made from the BB) with only J 10 is ...

a bad call

J 10 is a very marginal hand preflop against any kind of raise ... generally any kind of 2+ xBB raise suggests some strength (even with 22 they would be ahead of you)

so I think you made the big mistake not folding 10 J in the first place

your pot odds are terrible ... holding KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10 I would call it but I would be very wary of the flop and what it brings

with any pair lower I would be very inclinded to fold

with mixed 10 or higher hand - I would insta fold 90% ... it simply isnt worth it

You need to ask yourself just what kind of flop would make you feel comfortable with your hand against a player who has shown such preflop aggression in early position ?

If he was stealing ... let him steal the blinds and whatever other small bets there were ... sometimes it is best to leave a hand and let them get away with a total bluff or a semi bluff

in this hand your not the aggressor ... you are the hunted

OK on odds etc seeing the flop you are ahead but not by as much as you'd think ... and a key factor is that he has shown preflop aggression from early postion so a 10 J suited flop would be giving him a straight and a flush draw with AK (very probable hand) or with QK open ended too

really analysing the hand in terms of post flop odds and bad beat factor looses sight of the important thing about this hand ...

ie. It was a very loose call of a sizable preflop raise - I'm not sure you should have been in the hand in the first place

not meant to be harsh - but if the above doesnt make sense then I urge you to read alot more ... you'll thank me in the long run ;-)

cheers scrawnybob

This is what I was trying to say in my earlier post but Bob put it much more eliquintly.