Facing a short stack all in

[checkout4king]

When playing in tournament poker there will frequently be a situation when a short stack goes all-in and sees two or more callers. A standard practice here is for the players who called the all-in to check the hand down in order to increase their chances of eliminating the all-in player. However, checking the hand down may not always be the smart move. The strategy of checking the hand down has one huge weakness: it depends on the cooperation of the other player. If the other player does not cooperate, you can find yourself folding your hand to a strong bet, only to see the all-in player win the pot with a hand you could’ve beaten had you stayed in.
How do you react to a bet in that situation. Assuming your chip stack and the bettors chip stack is equivelant and he is a TAG

[luzipher]

I really hate that... but in fact sometimes there are good reasons to not cooperate.

[Assistanc3]

um no
the checking it down when a player is all-in is to get into the money (bubble)
that is really the only time

if that is the situation, and only that situation and they still bet, and your weak hand wont match up to really anything at that point, or to expensive to draw, just fold
and take note of that player. "idiot lvl2"

[luzipher]

um no
the checking it down when a player is all-in is to get into the money (bubble)
that is really the only time

if that is the situation, and only that situation and they still bet, and your weak hand wont match up to really anything at that point, or to expensive to draw, just fold
and take note of that player. "idiot lvl2"

If you are an aggresive chip leader and the rest of the table are just waiting ITM, then you don't want the short out of the tourney.

[pokerking00]

personally, I only checker down if it makes a big difference in ypur prize money.

If i got nuts or a very strong hand though, ill just bet heavy anyway, as I know i got the short stack beat

[gnk2727]

personally, I only checker down if it makes a big difference in ypur prize money.

If i got nuts or a very strong hand though, ill just bet heavy anyway, as I know i got the short stack beat

Why would you want to bet so much as to make the other players in the pot fold if you got the nuts? Unless you think you are extracting maximum value.........

[pokerking00]

Why would you want to bet so much as to make the other players in the pot fold if you got the nuts? Unless you think you are extracting maximum value.........

depends how many are in the hand - if there were say 5 of us, i would bet half the pot(unless it was very small)

[ennotserp]

Lately I don't know how many times I have been involved in a hand where two or more players have called an all-in bet by the short stack on the bubble (quite a few), the hand is checked to the river, and then an idiot makes a huge bet without having the nuts or even a great hand. To me, the only time to make such a bet is when you have the nuts, knowing YOU can knock out the short stack and also get called by an aggressive player. Even a small bet could cause tight players to fold unless they think they have the best hand, but if you don't have the nuts, there is no guarantee that you will knock out the short stack so you are better off to check and get insurance from the other players. I know I have folded the winning hand in this situation (all hands not being that great) and have been PO'd at the idiot who made the bet allowing the short stack to double up (that's when I make a note).

[LombardiStix]

You may hate it enn, but that player gave him/her a much improved shot at taking down the pot. They give themselves a chance to get a big pot against a mystery hand. It may piss you off, but they could take chip lead off of the hand. In your head you think everyone gains by knocking this player out on the bubble, but this player is playing to win, not just make it to the money.

[luzipher]

As I said... sometimes this "idiot players" are less idiot that you think...
I'm not saying that always a "bad bet" means a protection to the short stack, frequently is really a "bad bet" and the player is really an idiot, but there are scenarios when a bet is a good move.

Lets say that the pot represents your stack and you are playing against a short stack and another player, so you put 1/3 of your remaining stack to play the hand.
You have a hand after the turn, but not too strong... you have two options:
a) give a free card to the other player and go to showdown against three, trying to be ITM (a communitary play)
b) bet your hand, and go to showdown only against the short stack. Your chances to double up your stack are much better trying to reach a good position in the tourney and not just ITM.