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    Default Wanting to start an online career

    I've played poker for a few years now, both live and online. I've spent a few thousand here and there as usual going bust playing out of my limits or tilting and losing it all.

    I believe it's because I haven't been playing the right limits.

    I want to play MTT and Cash games. The only trouble is I really can only afford around $300 to start.

    What should I do? I know I can beat the higher limits and higher buy-in MTT's but I just can't afford it!

    I don't want to spend 6 hours playing a $2 buy-in MTT to bust out and win $4.50.

    What do you guys think?

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    Since you have already went through a few thousand dollars playing, i would suggest reading the articles here at 4kingpoker forum (red tabs at the top) about bankroll management, MTT tournament selection and cash games strategy's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aztec View Post
    I've played poker for a few years now, both live and online. I've spent a few thousand here and there as usual going bust playing out of my limits or tilting and losing it all.

    I believe it's because I haven't been playing the right limits.

    I want to play MTT and Cash games. The only trouble is I really can only afford around $300 to start.

    What should I do? I know I can beat the higher limits and higher buy-in MTT's but I just can't afford it!

    I don't want to spend 6 hours playing a $2 buy-in MTT to bust out and win $4.50.

    What do you guys think?
    If you really think your that good, there are plenty of $2 $5 satellites into major events, usually with not many players.

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    Derringer is correct, read, read and then read again. THE NUMBER 1 THING IS BANKROLL MANAGEMENT!!! Without it you will start another thread with the same title in a few months.
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    I don't see clearly the point with your post.
    If you're looking to learn bankroll management then you should find some good thread at 4kp.
    If you're looking to play higher buy-in games then you need to deposit.
    If you can't deposit, then learn the patience and the humility, it would help you for most part of your life.

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    Poker is not something that everyone is good at, and being succcessful in live poker games does not guarantee that you will profit at online poker. You need to build your way up through the levels, yes it is a grind but it is the only way that you can be sure will work. Don't move up to the next level until you have proven that you can be successful at the lower level, or there will be tears before bedtime.
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    OP needs to answer a couple of questions honestly:

    1) Are you ready to lose whatever you deposit in 10 minutes?

    2) Are you able to redeposit at some point - a day later, a week later, whatever?

    3) Are you impatient to the point where if you sat down and tried to grind it up, you'd get bored and move up anyway?

    One of my biggest weaknesses is that I answer yes to no. 3. I can't see playing $2 NL. Just not worth my time. I've beaten $600 NL at Bodog. But I don't have the bankroll to play that high.

    Instead, I've turned to playing stakes and playing nothing but SNGs and MTTs. When a stake is done, if I have a profit (whichi I do) I take it to a cash table. I have fun and I usually lose it eventually. So I get another stake. And so on.

    I could just roll the profits over from each stake and view it as a moneymaking endeavor, but I don't right now.

    Just my .02.

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    Default have U ?

    I am wondering if ANY body makes money out of On-line Poker, in the long run, I have not ment any body who has !

    Please feel free to correct me if you have and I am wrong, in this blog.

    The OP I wouldn't give up my day job, if I was you, you come across as an Idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bizar View Post
    The OP I wouldn't give up my day job, if I was you, you come across as an Idiot.
    Very diplomatically worded.

    There are definitely people that make a lot of money out of online poker, that is 100% certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bizar View Post
    I am wondering if ANY body makes money out of On-line Poker, in the long run, I have not ment any body who has !

    Please feel free to correct me if you have and I am wrong, in this blog.

    The OP I wouldn't give up my day job, if I was you, you come across as an Idiot.
    Why I"m answering this post... hmm... um.. oh yah, I know why. Why not start up a new post instead of hi-jacking OP's post here with a question about who has made money playing online poker (obviously people do, I've read estimates in Bluff magazine that at least 30%+ are break-even or better on the online tables but with mainly just top 10% making money).

    Now.. to answer OP's post here >>>>
    I can totally understand where you're coming from here. I don't think this post is about learning 'Bankroll Management'. OP has stated his past experiences with online poker but their question doesn't really seem to be one that solely addresses Bankroll Management.
    From what I understand with your post here, this here is what I can relate to (maybe this is what you're getting at?). With a bankroll of only $300, it is difficult because one is pretty much limited to playing micro buyins (again.. .we're talking MTTs here) and the play in the micros is pretty much TERRIBLE. OP sounds like they have knowledge & skills and feels confident that they would run ok in higher buyins (I'm assuming what... $25+ range?). The online game changes considerably as you move up in buyin levels.

    Case in point... the other night I was on Fulltilt and was doing a player search for a buddy of mine (only other guy I know who plays so late at night) and I find him registered in a $3 buyin double stack MTT (he plays in a variety of buyins and has done well in med.-sized ones... ie. he won the Fifty-Fifty for around $12K a couple months ago). So... I decide to enter it too, not having played a small buyin MTT for quite awhile now.
    I was bummed at how poor the play in it really was. Even as we approached the bubble with blinds kicked in and high antes, the game was still soooo rookie-ish (no 3-betting, TONS of limping,.. min reraising EP limpers, TONS of 'Family Pots', etc. etc.). I really couldn't believe it. IT was terrible. So... play ABC poker and adapt style to the table. I struggle on a 20bb deep stack for quite awhile and then manage to double off of a couple of Tard A-rag players but then unfortunately get coolered when KK runs into AA nearing bubble and I am left crippled.
    Point of story... for a good player the micro buyin MTT's can be a Huge drag. Might not be the way in which to try to build one's bankroll online, but will definitely build one's patience.
    I agree with what a poster above wrote about playing some satellites so that you can enter a marginally higher buyin MTT (ie. like the $26 token 18plyr. SNG sats. on Fulltilt). Still though, I think with only a $300 roll you might be needing another avenue to try to build up your roll while playing online (5 or 10NL, or SNG's).
    I've actually won alot of money in some decent freerolls I've played online and even more in priv. cash-added tourneys (ie. like the one's 4Kingpoker holds on a few different sites). They also afford one the oppurtunity to play with better players than one would normally find in a micro buyin mtt online.

    GL on the tables!
    (OnlineForumChallenge tournaments are also a great way to try to boost your bankroll - - micro buyin but with HUGE cash & prizes added to the prizepools..... often between $2K > $4,500 with field size of around 6 or 700 players in them. I managed to take back-to-back 4th's in two of them on Fulltilt - - for a $10 investment I won over $1,200).
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