frustrated

[rayleb]

Man, I just get frustrated as hell, I KNOW I'm playing better, I ranking higher, but still not cashing enough. Justy the other day, I was the tourny big stack , about 40k , 11 leftm starts paying at 9. I have AQ on the BB, 2 limpers, I raise the times to 1800, get 1 caller, he smooth calls with KK, can't blame him. 29Q rainbow, I bet pot , about 9k, he cold calls, k comes out I bet half pot, now I'm basically pot comitted , maybe I should have shoved but he woulda called with top set, I end up crippled. Damn I get tired of this crap. seems like every GD game

[tking888]

well then stop doing it. stop setting yourself up to fail. you just handed him your chips. think about it.

[PLAYFUL1]

YIPPPPPPPPPPPPP that A Q seems to be nothong butt trouble for me also just can't seem 2 lay it down... been Playful's downfall in alot of tourneys

[madjek]

yeah, sometimes you gotta let big hands go. Once the K hit, you still had 30K chips. No one likes to be a weak player, but what could he of possibly had calling that far. At worst A K. Maybe Q Ks. Anyway once K hit I would of shut it down, maybe I'm weak, but at least I'd of still been in it.

[ND1991]

The pre-flop raise with limpers is fine.

The bet on the flop seems large wasnt it like 2x the pot? You have top pair, top kicker.

So now your opponent has:
1) limped into a pot
2) called your pre-flop raise
3) called your flop bet

Did you pause to consider what he might have? If you have made it this far into the tournament, then you should have an idea of what type of hands people are playing. My experience with his play, his possible hands include:

Any low or middle PP and was set mining. So 22 and 99 are possible.
Any high PP. I could see TT, JJ, QQ (unlikely), KK, or AA.
Suited connectors in the upper range like TJs, JQs, QKs, or AKs.
A big kicker, maybe AK, AQ, or AJ.

With the two calls and the ragged flop, very hard to put him on much else.

Which of those hands late in tournament might he make two calls with? I would guess:

22, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, TJs, JQs, QKs, AQs, AQo, AKs, AKo

You are ahead if he has: TT, JJ, TJs (but he has draw), JQs, QKs, AKo, AKs
You are pushing if he has: AQs or AQo
You are behind if he has: 22, 99, QQ, KK, AA

So the turn comes K. My first reaction is OH CRAP.

You are ahead if he has: TT, JJ, JQs
You are pushing if he has: AQs or AQo
You are behind if he has: 22, 99, QQ, KK, AA, TJs, QKs, AKo, AKs

And now you are out of position and have horrible draws against most of his hands.

So right now you have 29K behind the line. 11K in the pot. You are in no way pot-committed and the turn card was HORRIBLE for you. You are now only ahead if he has TT, JJ, or JQs and everyone of those hands he has a straight draw at.

So there is really no good chance you have it locked, you are likely behind, and even if you are ahead he has some draws.

BUT you bet half your remaining stack at him out of position? How many chips did he have left? If he keeps calling you down, he cannot be too short else he would have played back at you most likely. If he has you covered easily, he cann afford to play how he wants.

The fact he called a 9000 bet on flop into a what was the pot at the time you made the 9000 bet (1800 + 1800 + 600 + 600 = 4800???). So either I missed the blind structure at this point, or you have to know you are behind, and the King didnt help you, so you can just give it up and look for another spot with your 29k.

Unfortunately, the 9000 bet on flop, leaves you not too many options. The pot is now like 22800 or so and you have 29000 left. Half the pot here is like 11400 or so, which for practical purposes is the same bet you made on flop. If I am him, I have to put you on AQ, AK, AA, or maybe heck I am not sure what else I could put you on at that point unless you were staying mild with 22, 99, QQ, or KK.

So from the limited info you shared, I would guess the following:

1) you made the pre-flop hoping to take down blinds. otherwise no real reason to throw a bet out there, and you got a caller. something you did not want.
2) you hit top pair and top kicker and your eyes got wide and you did not even pause to consider what he might have before you shoved a pretty good size bet in.
3) again you didnt pause to consider what he might have called you with because if you did, you had to be uneasy
4) turn hit and you thought something like, i cannot be so unlucky that he is actually holding one of the three Ks left in deck to beat me? but something tickled in the back of you mind because your bet left you few options but had you thought you were ahead there you really had to ake it down right there
5) now you were steamed and felt pot committed

ouch. I feel for you, I have been there myself.

AQ and JJ are the two most depressing hands IMO.

Better luck in next tournament.

[pirates831]

Man, I just get frustrated as hell, I KNOW I'm playing better, I ranking higher, but still not cashing enough. Justy the other day, I was the tourny big stack , about 40k , 11 leftm starts paying at 9. I have AQ on the BB, 2 limpers, I raise the times to 1800, get 1 caller, he smooth calls with KK, can't blame him. 29Q rainbow, I bet pot , about 9k, he cold calls, k comes out I bet half pot, now I'm basically pot comitted , maybe I should have shoved but he woulda called with top set, I end up crippled. Damn I get tired of this crap. seems like every GD game

well, you came to this board and posted this hand ... which you could have played much better. i assume you meant to say you raised THREE times to 1800, which is too small with limpers.

your flop bet should have set off an alarm in your head. you way overbet the pot and he still called. oops.

people love to slowplay their big hands. frankly, i don't. he should have raised ... what would you have done then? if he raises preflop, what is your play?

[Peteyweestro]

I have laid down hands like this many times, especially when i'm riding a bad streak like i am currently in.That K hitting and seeing as how you didn't scare or intimidate the winner off the hand shoulda made ya run for dem hills sonny,lol well live and learn and get em next time

[Alnoble]

Youy have got to learn to fold big hands. Last night I have JJ on the button. I limper so I raise 4 x BB. BB calls so does limper. Flop shows an Ace. BB bets limper calls I fold. Both hit the Ace. He called you with a K on the board he had to have at least paired it.

It's not about playing your cards it's about what's out there against you.

[pirates831]

Youy have got to learn to fold big hands. Last night I have JJ on the button. I limper so I raise 4 x BB. BB calls so does limper. Flop shows an Ace. BB bets limper calls I fold. Both hit the Ace. He called you with a K on the board he had to have at least paired it.

It's not about playing your cards it's about what's out there against you.

one of the easiest folds in poker.

[rayleb]

Yeah ! know and I could just kick myself. That's why I get frustrated. Hell most of you guys are far better than I because I've only placed once on 4king private.
Still learning, trying to find that fine line between too passive & tight and stupid like I described. ND you almost had me to dead to rights with your right up. I KNEW I was in trbl when the K turned. Till 3 years ago I couldn't have told you wether a flush beat a straight or not. make that 4 years.
Thanks all