Death by 2 Jacks TWICE !!!!!! ANALYZATION

[Dan Abnormal]

Total DISASTER - 1K freeroll 130th place JUST F'N awful

I must of play these 2 hands just totally wrong but after getting a pretty good start, a pair of J's (pockets) hit my stack hard and then to rub salt in the wound, about 20 minutes later, 2 J's do it to me again. The second hand I felt I needed to start gaining some traction plus I DID HAVE 2 PAIRS until the turn decided to drop an A and then River decided to give me an extra kick by dropping another ace. To kick my ace out of the tourny because he didnt have me beat on the turn (2nd hand)


1st hand of trouble

Hand#223181CB85001113 - Tournament Table 16 T8506245 -- Table 16 -- $0/$50/$100 NL Hold'em -- 2010/05/15 - 14:51:40
Seat 2: eugeneseldom ($2,375 in chips)
Seat 3: NApi***3 ($2,490 in chips)
Seat 4: leov***4 ($2,795 in chips)
Seat 7: tion***7 ($2,650 in chips)
Seat 8: Jack***8 ($3,165 in chips)
Seat 10: Joke***10 ($4,408 in chips)
Joke***10: posts small blind 50
Smok***1: posts big blind 100
Dealt to eugeneseldom [Jh,Jc]
eugeneseldom: calls 100
NApi***3: folds
leov***4: calls 100
Hami***5: folds
vlad***6: folds
tion***7: folds
Jack***8: folds
capa***9: folds
Joke***10: calls 50
Smok***1: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd,7s,7h]
Joke***10: checks
Smok***1: checks
eugeneseldom: bets 100
leov***4: calls 100
Joke***10: folds
Smok***1: folds
*** TURN *** [8s]
eugeneseldom: bets 100
leov***4: calls 100
*** RIVER *** [Qs]
eugeneseldom: bets 400
leov***4: raises to 1,200
eugeneseldom: folds
leov***4: returns uncalled bet 800
***SHOW DOWN***
leov***4: mucks
leov***4: wins 1,600


SHOULD I HAVE PUSHED HARDER PREFLOP - PUSHED HARDER FLOP - Do you think the flop beat me or the river or both. I pushed harder on the river bet but I guess I should of called the 1200 if Id known the same two pockets were gonna get me later


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LAST HAND OF THIS DISASTER


Hand#223181CB85001593 - Tournament Table 16 T8506245 -- Table 16 -- $0/$100/$200 NL Hold'em -- 2010/05/15 - 15:14:23
leov***4: posts small blind 100
Hami***5: posts big blind 200
Dealt to eugeneseldom [Jd,Jh]
vlad***6: folds
tion***7: folds
Jack***8: folds
capa***9: folds
Joke***10: calls 200
Smok***1: folds
eugeneseldom: calls 200
NApi***3: folds
leov***4: calls 100
Hami***5: checks
*** FLOP *** [2c,3s,3d]
leov***4: checks
Hami***5: checks
Joke***10: checks
eugeneseldom: is all in 1000.0000
leov***4: folds
Hami***5: folds
Joke***10: calls 1,000
eugeneseldom: shows [Jd Jh]
Joke***10: shows [9s Ad]
*** TURN *** [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [As]
***SHOW DOWN***
Joke***10: wins 2,800 with Full House, Aces full of Threes
eugeneseldom finished 130 out of 247 players.



Joke***10 chats: "sorry man"


Mr Joke had a solid hand but DAMN is this neccessary, looking at this hand too, I guess the preflop shove should of been greater since I was going all in on this hand probably anyways. BUt the 2 pairs on the flop and me pushing in I thought he have me on trips and fold but look at the disater that unfolded. The chat on the next hand just make it all the more irratating. but since he busted me, I hope he wins big, I dont want person who busts me to not place high, cause then it just makes my game look worse or should I say MORE WORSER if that is correct


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Well Im irratated to say the least but Im sure I screwed up both the hands but damn, Im trying to avoid getting called all in on preflops but DAMN.

Anyways Im breaking the rules tonight, Im drinking, playing and if you see EUGENESELDOM on UB CAKE or CARBON come say HI - either look around cake free rolls or UB 4:30 Deep Stack 500GTD later


AND DO YALL WANNA KNOW WHATS REALLY BAD, played my wife in some psuedo heads up SNG's games last night (real cards and chips) and she doesnt even know how to play that well but she could read my face every time. Gotta fix that before I play live

[pirates831]

1) hand 1 - raise preflop

2) hand 2 - raise preflop

seriously. you have the 4th best starting hand arguably. what are you waiting for to raise? even in a freeroll, people are going to notice you are not raising JJ and when you do raise you have just defined your hand to one of 4 hands - QQ, KK, AA, AK.

regardless, you are raising here for value and to protect your hand. you want to make A3o pay to call.

hand 1, i'm not sure what the point of betting the river was. check fold. save your chips.

hand 2, what can you do? the guy made a horrible call. it happens in a freeroll. that said, you way overbet the pot. but he still called, so no matter how you get it in on this flop, that's your goal if the hand is going to play out that way.

[PLAYFUL1]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM PLAYFUL HATES POCKET JJS MORE THAN AQ... ESPECIALLY WHEN IN A FREEROLL WHEN PEOPLE ARE BETTING THEIR ACE RAG AND GOING ALL -IN AND CATCHING...WAHHHHHHHH

[kingmotan]

DAmn I lost with JJ today too. Bubbled a freeroll
I will probably take 2 days off.

[sos_egg_n]

Hand 1
have no idea what ur logic is flop drops q 7 7 rainbow flop.....When u get called what is ur thinking??? u bet turn....when u get called what is ur thinking???

The player either has a 7 (he dont need to raise as there is no draw) a Q or a pocket pair...my thinking is pocket pair is less likely q or 7 is more likely (alltho q looks big fav with river raise). So y would u continue to bet?

to me u should of better stronger on flop if called / raised u know ur bhind on that flop even so after ur flop bet check from there as i would say chances are ur bhind as for river bet only u know y.

Out of interest what is UR thinking in the hand??



Hand 2
allin preflop there is no other option pot was around 500 700 witrh ur 200 i think.
Having said that u stood in a much better spot when u were called but got unl

Note u comment on player takein u out hopin he goes far....This game is not results based he played his hand bad and got lucky that does not mean u are a worse player than him and obviously where he finishes does not reflect on u at all.

Rgds

[Dan Abnormal]

SOS

HEre is my thinking in a nutshell. I have 2 j's so as far as Im

concerned half the trap is set. I want to limp in low (ANd I WOULD DO

THIS WITH QQ KK AA 10 10 99 because nothing was desperate at this

point). See a cheap flop, hit my trips and slow play it to the end for

all the chips. DID I THINK MY 2 pairs had a chance. VERY MUCH SO, I

had 2 7'2 and 2 J's FLOP. I had lots of opportunities for trip

which would of resulted in a full house. YES THE RIVER BET I should of

just checked and the preflop GUess push harder but say he pushed me

back just as hard preflop, then what type of hand would he have been

plaing A7 Q7 (and now I thinking he had pockets unless the guy just

plays any ace-rage). I very much think 2 pairs of decent strength is a

play not to be dropped. Maybe if I wasnt going to bet a bigger preflop

I should of limped in on the opening bet. OOP was not wise of me to

play with trying to set a trap, but that is a flaw I need to overcome

but I do not think its a flaw I need to drop. I feel I disquise stuff

pretty good sometimes, other times FLOP HAPPENS. WHY WOULD HE BE

CHASING ME WITH A 7-whatever (IM editing as I re-read another reason I

think he was pocked Q's or 7's which would make more sense than q-7 or

a-7). Maybe I need to get away from trying to play fancy but really

was this guy just cooking me too, if he was tripped or full housed on

the flop, why not just lay down the big bet and get me out, yes he got

100 more out of me. What happens if a Jack drops and hes playing A-7

(which i would play more than Q-7 so I dont think the house was full)

so if the turn dropped the Q and river dropped a J jjj77 ove 777qq .

Maybe he had pocket queens or pocket 7s for quads either way, but it

seems he was disquising as much as me. BUT DOES PLAYING OOP make me

look like the stupid one.

Basically I want the all in out of my play unless Im so shortstacked

or I know I got something good. Too many times I think I have it made

with KK AA and all that good stuff and push all in regardless of

postion of anything and end up busted. Im trying quit doing that

unless Im just wanting to play a free roll coin flip.


BTW sorry Im slow on responses, re-read my post, I said I was gonna

break the rules tonight drink and play, well I added rock and roll to

it and jumping around, I landed on my knee wrong (of course while

drunk) and it almost bent the wrong way and now 2 days later Im till

stumbling around here in pain lol. GETTING OLD SUCKS


YES SOS I WISH I WOULD OF JUST FOLDED EVERYTHING AND SAT OUT and I

probably would of won 2 dollars but I dont know the second hand was

just a message "YOURE DONE NO MORE FREE BANKROLLS Make a deposit if

you want to play here) and that sucks I did have a $16 free br going

until the door crasher tournys, crashed my br down to $2
THe FIrst hand, I dunno, I guess the first call should of told me

everything, but I would of expected a higher bet if he had trips, his

call made me feel my hand might hold up, SEE MY TRAP WAS SUPPOSE TO

HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT lol.

BUT SOS - AWESOMELY WROTE, please tear my hands to shreads because I

have gotta see suff that Im not seeing that others see plain as day.

ANd please continue to do this and Thank you for asking what I was

thinking because, if my thinking is wack, then I need to know that

too.

One last thought on hand 1 - THe guy only invested 10% of his stack,

he just rode with me until the final bet, is 10% of a stack a lot to

risk on a bluff. What if he turned over a pair of 4's or a 5-3 or It

could be a total slap in the face, a 7-2 lol


SOS ONE QUESTION I DONT UNDERSTAND please explain in laymans terms,

you said HE dont need to raise as there is no draw (I know it must easy to understand but for some reason its over my head right now)

[sos_egg_n]

as i see it


JJ - Q77 FLOP - bet an amount to find out where u at for starters 100 no good even another 100 would help alot...as a result his call could mean he has overcards or has hit. But i cannot see y u would be confident as for 400 bet on river....What hand do u think he could be losing to u but would have called 400 chips???

If u raised and were re-raised u would have to give him credit for been strong aa kk qq ak mayb aq 10 10 u could not think he has a 7.

As for u 4 outs for fullhouse having 777jj on a 777q board is not a good spot a jack was ur only out if u were bhind at 1 in 23.5 i dont like that spot u could not get pot odds with ur stack on ur own bet.

allin all i would say u extremely overated jj post flop its worthless in my opinion of course u could be ahead and a flop bet would find out if called u should be bhind with that flop (draw ie flush or st8) 77q off suit has no st8 or flush possibilities (other than runner runner).

Also y say he cannot have hand as he does not raise y should he raise kq aq or any 7 if u ahead u do not want to kill a hand in this position u get as many chips as u can

Hope ur knees heal soon

Sos

[Dan Abnormal]

I gotta get out of these bad habits and as much as I dont want to admit it now. THe J's were worthless.

I should of invested my 400 chips on the preflop. How much do you think I would of needed to bet to get him out of the pot from the start. If he called a preflop at 400 or higher do I have to give credit pocket pairs, If I pushed all in and he was playing QK AK AJ QJ (Any combo unpaired higher than JJ). Do you think he would of called a much higher preflop without pockets.

Its amazing I read book after book on the game before playing and until I came here, It seemed like I understood how to play but I sure wasnt using anything I read the right way and just the stuff Ya'll point out, quickily relates to what a book was saying and so much is making sense, so much its almost overwhelming, What position, what odds, what does that bet mean, What info do I want from my bet. ANd all I know is that if I quit playing coin flips early in the hand, Im pretty sure I won the hands I take all the way through. My stacks are building, NOT tripling up over and over but smaller wins and a lot more of them. I feel like the turtle in the rabbit race but only thing here is the rabbit does not take a break.

NEVER EVER TAKE YOUR LEGS FOR GRANTED, THANK GOD MY KNEE DID NOT BEND BACKWARDS AND IT ALMOST DID. After 3 days I can walk around but I cant WALK AROUND, if that makes sense. This may be a week or more ordeal before I can bend my knees right. BUt I am playing poker in Ultimate comfort kicked back in a recliner with an iced knee. If feels like whatever muscles are on either side of my knee got pulled.

THANKS SOS for the spanking ( I mean reality check) I need it or I will keep doing the same stuff and then wonder why everyone get so much farther than me (BOO HOO lol)

[sos_egg_n]

Pre flop in my opnion they should fold kq mayb aq but thats not really the issue easily said after and he still could of had over pair but if u raise and are reraised u have to think what would u of done i personally wud of limped just play completely differently post flop

now for something completely irrelevant

was chattin to a bicep the other night in a bar...actually quite attractive
i said to my mates "am off now guys" to which they replied with a puzzled look "how come its early" at which point i said with a huge smirk on my face "i know im in tho i've just pulled a muscle"


Come on Bob show me the 5 dollars best post Moneys in the Bag

Please advise how money is to be paid i accept cash, visa, cheque, paypal, hell even fpp's or ftps its despereate times here

[Poker Orifice]

Total DISASTER - 1K freeroll 130th place JUST F'N awful

I must of play these 2 hands just totally wrong but after getting a pretty good start, a pair of J's (pockets) hit my stack hard and then to rub salt in the wound, about 20 minutes later, 2 J's do it to me again. The second hand I felt I needed to start gaining some traction plus I DID HAVE 2 PAIRS until the turn decided to drop an A and then River decided to give me an extra kick by dropping another ace. To kick my ace out of the tourny because he didnt have me beat on the turn (2nd hand)


1st hand of trouble

Hand#223181CB85001113 - Tournament Table 16 T8506245 -- Table 16 -- $0/$50/$100 NL Hold'em -- 2010/05/15 - 14:51:40
Seat 2: eugeneseldom ($2,375 in chips)
Seat 3: NApi***3 ($2,490 in chips)
Seat 4: leov***4 ($2,795 in chips)
Seat 7: tion***7 ($2,650 in chips)
Seat 8: Jack***8 ($3,165 in chips)
Seat 10: Joke***10 ($4,408 in chips)
Joke***10: posts small blind 50
Smok***1: posts big blind 100
Dealt to eugeneseldom [Jh,Jc]
eugeneseldom: calls 100
NApi***3: folds
leov***4: calls 100
Hami***5: folds
vlad***6: folds
tion***7: folds
Jack***8: folds
capa***9: folds
Joke***10: calls 50
Smok***1: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd,7s,7h]
Joke***10: checks
Smok***1: checks
eugeneseldom: bets 100
leov***4: calls 100
Joke***10: folds
Smok***1: folds
*** TURN *** [8s]
eugeneseldom: bets 100
leov***4: calls 100
*** RIVER *** [Qs]
eugeneseldom: bets 400
leov***4: raises to 1,200
eugeneseldom: folds
leov***4: returns uncalled bet 800
***SHOW DOWN***
leov***4: mucks
leov***4: wins 1,600


SHOULD I HAVE PUSHED HARDER PREFLOP - PUSHED HARDER FLOP - Do you think the flop beat me or the river or both. I pushed harder on the river bet but I guess I should of called the 1200 if Id known the same two pockets were gonna get me later


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LAST HAND OF THIS DISASTER


Hand#223181CB85001593 - Tournament Table 16 T8506245 -- Table 16 -- $0/$100/$200 NL Hold'em -- 2010/05/15 - 15:14:23
leov***4: posts small blind 100
Hami***5: posts big blind 200
Dealt to eugeneseldom [Jd,Jh]
vlad***6: folds
tion***7: folds
Jack***8: folds
capa***9: folds
Joke***10: calls 200
Smok***1: folds
eugeneseldom: calls 200
NApi***3: folds
leov***4: calls 100
Hami***5: checks
*** FLOP *** [2c,3s,3d]
leov***4: checks
Hami***5: checks
Joke***10: checks
eugeneseldom: is all in 1000.0000
leov***4: folds
Hami***5: folds
Joke***10: calls 1,000
eugeneseldom: shows [Jd Jh]
Joke***10: shows [9s Ad]
*** TURN *** [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [As]
***SHOW DOWN***
Joke***10: wins 2,800 with Full House, Aces full of Threes
eugeneseldom finished 130 out of 247 players.



Joke***10 chats: "sorry man"


Mr Joke had a solid hand but DAMN is this neccessary, looking at this hand too, I guess the preflop shove should of been greater since I was going all in on this hand probably anyways. BUt the 2 pairs on the flop and me pushing in I thought he have me on trips and fold but look at the disater that unfolded. The chat on the next hand just make it all the more irratating. but since he busted me, I hope he wins big, I dont want person who busts me to not place high, cause then it just makes my game look worse or should I say MORE WORSER if that is correct


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Well Im irratated to say the least but Im sure I screwed up both the hands but damn, Im trying to avoid getting called all in on preflops but DAMN.

Anyways Im breaking the rules tonight, Im drinking, playing and if you see EUGENESELDOM on UB CAKE or CARBON come say HI - either look around cake free rolls or UB 4:30 Deep Stack 500GTD later


AND DO YALL WANNA KNOW WHATS REALLY BAD, played my wife in some psuedo heads up SNG's games last night (real cards and chips) and she doesnt even know how to play that well but she could read my face every time. Gotta fix that before I play live

First hand RAISE it up preflop... chances are you take it down preflop OR get headsup vs. one other opponent. If you're hu vs. one opponent, cbet the flop but if called slow it down & be willing to check/fold on turn.

Second hand, with that stack size why are you "LIMPING" again?? just shove it allin preflop.