WImpy or NOT

[Dan Abnormal]

WIMPY or GOOD

One thing a little different, not to late in the toury and my stack

looks a lot better than it usually does.

SO IS THIS WIMPY punk play or is it sound. Not much too it but the

story is IM EARLY POSITION, Pushed a good preflop bet on 2 q's (NOW

IS THIS A SUCK BET OR A GOOD BET) I want people in and not fold it

around but I got people in and then ended up in a bind I was unsure how

to get out of. At the end the guy raised me 10% of his stack which

would of been about 23% of my stack. I guess this is where value bets,

equity folding and all this stuff that is over my head still. Since he

raised my opening push, I feel like he was also sitting on pocket pairs

(prob 9's) and I dont think the ace was a factor (WHAT DO YOU THINK).

I KNOW what youre saying, "WHY DID I BET 100 FIRST after the flop.

Dunno to see where his head is at (thats what someone else here told

me). I just feel the opening call didnt represent a powerful

ace/whatever pockets. WIth only 3K more in chips, his pockets had to

at least pretty good. OR WAS MY PREFLOP PUSH, WIMPY A$$ LIMPING LOSER

PLAY.


Hand#2233824E4B003576 - Freeroll into Millions Gold Chip Giveaway

T8539723 -- Table 139 -- $0/$50/$100 NL Hold'em -- 2010/05/17 -

10:05:34
Seat 2: Duss***2 ($1,347 in chips)
Seat 3: chev***3 ($10,281 in chips)
Seat 4: Abre***4 ($1,925 in chips)
Seat 5: ZZZ6***5 ($1,970 in chips)
Seat 6: kalt***6 ($20,911 in chips)
Seat 7: ***7 ($0 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: sica***8 ($2,202 in chips)
Seat 9: Pycc***9 ($6,850 in chips)
Seat 10: eugeneseldom ($7,440 in chips)
sica***8: posts small blind 50
Pycc***9: posts big blind 100
Dealt to eugeneseldom [Qc,Qd]
eugeneseldom: raises to 350
BigM***1: folds
Duss***2: folds
chev***3: calls 350
Abre***4: folds
ZZZ6***5: folds
kalt***6: folds
sica***8: folds
Pycc***9: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h,Ac,9d]
eugeneseldom: bets 100
chev***3: raises to 1,150
eugeneseldom: folds
chev***3: returns uncalled bet 1,050
***SHOW DOWN***
chev***3: mucks
chev***3: wins 1,050


Im sitting with a top 4 pocket pair, is 350 too wimpy or should I have priced this one for a lot more

[rgchan]

It might have been wise to bet more pre-flop to get ythose Pesky Ace-Rag players out. I don,t like the fact an Ace flopped. Probably right to abandon the hand.
Rg

[villaridge]

well, bet sizing is important. But I really dont think freerollers consider your bet size 2 much at all. it cost villian 350 to see a 500 pot, not that good of pot odds, but I dont think freerollers consider pot odds 2 much at all either. lol

As rgchan says, trying to get a pesky Ace-rag player out might have called for a 5xBB pre-flop raise. but they are freerollers, and 2 with big as stacks. doubt a 5x would have changed their mind much., Not even all ins will make a freeroller condsider if his A9 soooted is good or not. lol

I find QQ problematic. I rank it with JJ, 10,10 and 9,9. I push harder with those hands and less with KK and AA.

The next thing you have to look at is the players. If I am playing a freeroll, I usually do not pay attention to the players, and if it comes QQ to me, well, all in time. cause its a freeroll, and I really dont care for them anymore, except as a time filler as I wait for a better game.

Now in a better buyin game, I do pay attention to the players, and what they have been doing. So how I play QQ becomes more a reaction to how the table has been playing. the 350 raise u made in a reg game is fine. (also always mix up your bets, that is, with regs, bet QQ at 5xbb 40% at 4xbb 30% and 3xbb 25% and all in 5%, or some such mix). But then with regs at the 50/100 bb level u should have some kinda read on what they are playing and how to bet.

The next thing is, it looks like you are the OOP (out of position) player . So it is very hard to get a read on what villian has. your read of a 99 is pure speculation. Has he been playing tight? Probably not with the stack he has. So I'm thibnking they do play the higher A something hands and the broadways and of course pairs. now in a regular game this is why you want to go with a higher 5xBB pre-flop to make the pot odds even worse, if you are OOP. if the pot is $750 and it costs villain $500 to call, u make the decision tougher for him. and note this does not work with freerollers. If he calls, well yes he has a high pair or a AK, AQ kinda thing. If he calls, Then that flop has to scare you with the Ace has to scare the bejesus out of you. again you are first to act

In that freeroll game you threw out a $100 bet into a $850 pot. well, thats bad. villian is getting pot odds of 9:1. It costs him $100 to maybe win a $950 pot, now that is bad for u. to do that. He either has the A and bets over you or he bluffs cause a $100 bet into into a $950 pot is WIMPY. There are a few players that will $100 bet into a $950 pot, but it is to trap u because they have two pair or made trips

The only way you were gonna win that hand was by making a 2/3 or pot sized bet after the flop, and making the pot odds wrong for villain. And thats only for a regular game. The other way to win that hand is to fold and save your chips. but making a $100 bet post flop was just throwing 100 chips away. I probably would have thrown the QQ away after that flop with regs, as I'm outta position, or if I had a read on villain push with 2/3 pot.

again, in a freeroll this all means shit.

[Dan Abnormal]

In that freeroll game you threw out a $100 bet into a $850 pot. well, thats bad. villian is getting pot odds of 9:1. It costs him $100 to maybe win a $950 pot, now that is bad for u. to do that. He either has the A and bets over you or he bluffs cause a $100 bet into into a $950 pot is WIMPY. There are a few players that will $100 bet into a $950 pot, but it is to trap u because they have two pair or made trips

The only way you were gonna win that hand was by making a 2/3 or pot sized bet after the flop, and making the pot odds wrong for villain. And thats only for a regular game. The other way to win that hand is to fold and save your chips. but making a $100 bet post flop was just throwing 100 chips away. I probably would have thrown the QQ away after that flop with regs, as I'm outta position, or if I had a read on villain push with 2/3 pot.


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This stuff here is GOLD and is now part of my book of notes to improve my game and the way you have put it makes sense with the odds stuff, Im starting to see what everyone is saying by making people really pay. It seems Im blurring the lines of information bets and bets where I need to be making the statement