Totally Stupid or Going for it

[Dan Abnormal]

NO MORE FREE ROLLS, YES so I lost some cash today, NO PROBLEMS because I was cruising in this tourny and I was in the money but not big money. At the time of this hand, We were almost 3hrs into this tourny. I had peaked at around 29th place. Had my stack 6x and this was a deep stack so my highest stack was appox 30K.

Once again I PLAYED THE FOOL WITH PAIRS AND WENT FOR IT. Maybe I should of dropped the hand but I did have 3rd highest pair pockets. I pushed a nice preflop, I think, but I guess I knew this guy had pocket aces but you never know. So he raised my push with an all in 27K so I pushed all in.

Stupid because I was nowhere near desperation in fact I was running good and really solid. BUt I saw an opportunity to go top 4 with this hand. AM I MAD, NO, in fact ME MR. TIMMY TOMMY pushed 29K on one hand with one thought in mind, IF I DONT PLAY POCKET Q's I might as well sit out and collect my .13 profit. I AINT (OR LEAST GONNA TRY) to quit freezing at the end

OH WELL HERE WE GO - one Queen Id still be playing NO QUEEN AND IM POSTING, and IM POSTING
Stage #197660475 Tourney ID 5311861 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 600 - 2010-05-19 19:16:08 (ET)
Table: 56 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 1 - CDRESSER44 (23,890 in chips)
Seat 2 - DAVIDMESA (41,381 in chips)
Seat 3 - TOTALTILT (29,178 in chips)
Seat 4 - FOURREDACES4 (51,476 in chips)
Seat 5 - VDAWGZ (27,942 in chips)
Seat 6 - WAIMEAJOKER (10,775 in chips)
Seat 7 - CSANTLEY (8,071 in chips)
Seat 8 - EUGENESELDOM (26,455 in chips)
CDRESSER44 - Ante 75
DAVIDMESA - Ante 75
TOTALTILT - Ante 75
FOURREDACES4 - Ante 75
VDAWGZ - Ante 75
WAIMEAJOKER - Ante 75
CSANTLEY - Ante 75
EUGENESELDOM - Ante 75
TOTALTILT - Posts small blind 300
FOURREDACES4 - Posts big blind 600
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to EUGENESELDOM [Qc Qd]
VDAWGZ - Raises 3,300 to 3,300
WAIMEAJOKER - Folds
CSANTLEY - Folds
EUGENESELDOM - Raises 6,000 to 6,000
CDRESSER44 - Folds
DAVIDMESA - Folds
TOTALTILT - Folds
FOURREDACES4 - Folds
VDAWGZ - All-In(Raise) 24,567 to 27,867
EUGENESELDOM - All-In 20,380
VDAWGZ - returned (1,487) : not called
*** FLOP *** [Kh 3c 7s]
*** TURN *** [Kh 3c 7s] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 3c 7s 6c] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VDAWGZ - Shows [Ad As] (One pair, aces)
EUGENESELDOM - Shows [Qc Qd] (One pair, queens)
VDAWGZ Collects 54,260 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(54,260)
Board [Kh 3c 7s 6c 2d]
Seat 1: CDRESSER44 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: DAVIDMESA (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: TOTALTILT (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: FOURREDACES4 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: VDAWGZ won Total (54,260) All-In HI54,260) with One pair, aces [Ad As - P:As,P:Ad,B:Kh,B:7s,B:6c]
Seat 6: WAIMEAJOKER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: CSANTLEY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: EUGENESELDOM HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qc Qd - P:Qd,P:Qc,B:Kh,B:7s,B:6c]


DAMN I Pushed 10x the big blind, that dude is one of those super users REMEMBER THIS IS UB. AHHH SEE I feel better now, they had to stop the TUMBLEWEED before it turned into a hurricane. DAN ' THE TUMBLEWEED' ABNORMAL BUT I DID BREAK ONE OF MY NEWER RULES, Avoid these all in coin flips,

[Dan Abnormal]

its just immaturity on my part, I should of just dropped the hand and lost the 6K, I didnt push the all in button right away, I thought . I came to conclusion that I would be an underdog but 50-2=48 so odds were 48:2 hmmmmm that doesnt sound good does it, that would be less than 1% is that right or 24:1 2.4% is that right I should of folded

I should of just waited to battle when I didnt have such pressure on me.

I'll just chalk it up to at least trying (maybe not smart)

OK I raise preflop bet and make BB 10x and get called from a mid position. Maybe I should of just called the 3.3K (IS THAT A CORRECT BET FOR TOP PAIR or should it been higher) we both had appox the same stack. I mean KNEW Iin my heart it would be AA but at the same time do you think he would have called my bet if he had JJ or 10 10 or even kk. I think a 10K bet would of made me 100% sure, the all in bet couldnt of been just a blind stealing bluff also or did he essentially make my pot odds very bad or did I do that all by myself

[SexyMonk]

lol, u r so funny

[Dan Abnormal]

Give this guy all my chips and he still goes out like 76th or something, just a slap in the face. I dont know but this the third re look at a hand this morning and all are pocket pairs and none seem to hit anything. Maybe I need to give up on pocket pairs all together damn would that be a stupid thing to do.

I guess my real question,, why did this dumbass have to have pocket aces,

"THATS WHY HE PUT UP 27K ROB, DIDNT YOU MAKE THE CONNECTION "

I thought the 27K was metaphor that he was holding a 2-7 lol


If only I didnt play this hand I was on my way to .13 profit, actually if Id quit playing Johnny Badass and start playing Johnny Smartguy, I think I would of made top 20 money here as it was going solid and I was 29th. I would say top 10 but its amazing how much longer youre playing sometimes from top 20 to top 10 and Im sure Id of played some stupid hand like AA and have a nice flop 235 6 8 and some player playing on a total different plane than me would decide hey my 4 7 DID HOLD UP lol IM glad that guy pushed all in

[Poker Orifice]

AA v QQ is closer to 80/20 (anytime there's an over pr. & another pr. it's ~80/20)

Villain's raise of 6.5x was pretty odd imo... typically when re-raising them we'd want to go to ~2.5x (or if in earlier levels, ~3.5x their raise)... because this would be too large a percentage of our stack (not leaving us enough for a good-sized flop shove... & because we plan on calling if we're shoved on... we should just shove it allin in the first place.

[hojediade]

BUT I DID BREAK ONE OF MY NEWER RULES, Avoid these all in coin flips,

I agree with PO, this wasn't a coin flip situation of course.

Anyway, we sure need some more insights to tell you how to handle this, as the # players remaining, what you noticed about opponents and mostly the guy involved in that hand.
I think you made 2 mistakes and misread your opponent.
First your raise wasn't high enough to push out the original raiser, no matter what was his hand. BUT that would have saved you much chips if you realized you were already beat, which you did not. That was your 2nd mistake i guess, not allowing your opponent the possibility to hold a better hand than yours preflop.
I'm probably wrong, but i would have smooth call there his raise and wait for the flop to see how he acts as you had position. With a K on flop, this would have slow down the action (maybe).

The most important fact there were, IMO and in disorder :
1- This guys have more chips than you
2- You're ITM yet
3- You "only" spent 6000 when he push you AI, which left you with a "M" of 13 (Yellow zone). We have no clue about your "Q", but you're probably not that far from the medium chip stack with 20000 chips left. Both informations tells you still have some times remaning before being really short.
4- What hand did you think he had raising UTG, so low? What did you expect while re-raising? What kind of hand would push him to re-reraise you AI?

[pirates831]

I agree with PO, this wasn't a coin flip situation of course.

Anyway, we sure need some more insights to tell you how to handle this, as the # players remaining, what you noticed about opponents and mostly the guy involved in that hand.
I think you made 2 mistakes and misread your opponent.
First your raise wasn't high enough to push out the original raiser, no matter what was his hand. BUT that would have saved you much chips if you realized you were already beat, which you did not. That was your 2nd mistake i guess, not allowing your opponent the possibility to hold a better hand than yours preflop.
I'm probably wrong, but i would have smooth call there his raise and wait for the flop to see how he acts as you had position. With a K on flop, this would have slow down the action (maybe).

The most important fact there were, IMO and in disorder :
1- This guys have more chips than you
2- You're ITM yet
3- You "only" spent 6000 when he push you AI, which left you with a "M" of 13 (Yellow zone). We have no clue about your "Q", but you're probably not that far from the medium chip stack with 20000 chips left. Both informations tells you still have some times remaning before being really short.
4- What hand did you think he had raising UTG, so low? What did you expect while re-raising? What kind of hand would push him to re-reraise you AI?

you are overthinking. i don't know what the buyin on the tournament was, but it had to be .50 or less since he was ITM and his profit was .13. .13 for what did he say, 3 hours? its basically the same as a freeroll. yes, he's going to occasionally run into AA, KK and AK here. he's also going to run into some donkey who thinks 44 is good.

[Poker Orifice]

My thoughts on this (kinda again).... villain's raise seems very peculiar.. who opens for 6x in EP in Late Levels? (from my experience in the micros, that looks like TT,JJ scared to play postflop, or maybe even AK).
Question to ask yourself, "why are we raising preflop?" I would expect the answer to be, "in an effort to try to get ALL of the money into the middle" If this is the case, my raise size would typically be 3.5x the initial raise, OR if late levels, 2.5x, in HOPES that villain will come over the top & 4bet me allin.
Again though with effective stack sizes here not being deep enough.... I would just ship it allin here (I'm assuming villain's raising range includes TT+,.... more towards TT,JJ, way less likely to be 'QQ' obviously, and not quite as likely to be be AA,KK (I mean who in their right mind would be raising so HIGH which likely would push out a TON of hands you'd be getting value from.. OR to induce a 3bet with stacks of this size... the 6x just seems really odd/stupid imo.... I would also include AJ+ in their raising range. Their calling range (if we'd just shoved)... if I can include AK, AQ, along with JJ+.
As played... if we could include AK, AQ (AQ obviously not as likely while holding QQ), JJ, I'm calling all day long here. He has AA, KK... oh well.. 'gg'. Villain obviously plays their hands in a very unorthodox manner (what type of player would raise soooo big in late levels with a Monster pr.?).

[kingCassim]

Playing pocket pairs u have odds i think of hitting on flop 7-1. I usually raise 3times the size of the big blind and hope for 1 caller or none. lol.

After that its just playing the player and hoping the flop hits you or hits low.
Folded pocket 5's 3 times yesterday in the Freeroll 2 the Midnight madness on FTP. ended up going out 9th out of 2,700. needed 3rd for the money.