What BUy in Level Is real Comp and not DOnk Comp

[beanfacekilla]

I agree with what someone said earlier, that there is bad play at all levels. If I go to the casino and buy in for $200, the play resembles that of the bodog 2c5c tables. I have just decided to play very tight when at a table full of loose/agressive players. And when I do catch, I just hope that the hand holds up. Most people (if not all) on this forum probably know where they stand with odds and that. Suck outs can happen. But in the long run, luck is eliminated and the pure math of it all is what really holds true. It is a grind, poker. I think because of Moneymaker's success in '03, many players have taken an interest in poker. And from all the many players, I think the majority would not be able to define many poker terms (implied odds, outs, pot odds, etc.). But there was a guy at the november 9, who did not know alot about poker. He sat with the best. Perhaps some people are just naturals. But I do think poker is changing every day. When I played at the casino recently, in a tourney, I observed alot of play going on. Some of the plays I saw, would go against anything I have ever read in a book. But, some of those plays were profitable, some were the last play for that player. The point of all this is, I don't even know if there is a right way to play anymore. Take Phil Ivey, you all know his style, Loose/agressive most of the time. His chips are up, down, up down. But in the long run, they are slowly (maybe not so slowly) going up. And the polar opposite would probably be someone like Chris Ferguson. He is also a great player. So I think what I need to do, is master all the styles of play, and use them when I see fit (hopefully I know when). Anyways good luck to all at the tables. peace.

[Peteyweestro]

I really liked that post bean, it is the way i been feeling but said a little bit better i think. Mainly because i will not play ABC poker unless i see that it will be useful , now a days it's all about being adaptable

[beanfacekilla]

I really liked that post bean, it is the way i been feeling but said a little bit better i think. Mainly because i will not play ABC poker unless i see that it will be useful , now a days it's all about being adaptable

Thank you Peteyweestro. Nice of you to say that.

[Poker Orifice]

So I think what I need to do, is master all the styles of play, and use them when I see fit (hopefully I know when). Anyways good luck to all at the tables. peace.

"Knowing when" is when we adjust our play to take advantage of our opponents (we exploit their tendancies).
As far as what Dan's talking about "micro MTT's" I'm assuming?? I tried playing a handflul of low buyin MTts on Fulltilt the other day, figuring "How bad could it be.. I mean I'll just tighten up & get my chips in good vs the over aggro spewmonkeys, valuetown the calling stations, & draw out on the passive players who let me get there. I'll check-raise the maniacs who are betting "POT" on any flop they're checked to on.. & will call them down lighter on the river (esp. when they fire out the near pot-sized river bet that makes zero sense..). (I'll also slow down when they just 'check-call').
Well... it wasn't so easy, lol. Thing is in micros.. you do need to get some cards, lol. I don't think there were more than 10% of the hands played in the first hour or two of each MTT I was in where I wasn't totally amazed/appalled/shocked by HOW BAD both (or each) of the players played who were involved in the hand(s). They were AWFUL!! Limp A6o in EP, call a 6x raise OOP.. was normal. Then Donkbetting POT into the raiser with TopPr. No Kicker... was the norm (or MPTK ... & willing to get it allin with it too!). Seriously, it was just soooooo bad that I couldnt' even believe it. (i'm talking about guys playing 200+bb pots with shitty hands... just real bad.... Very OFTEN!)

So yah Dan.. you have to stick to ABC when playing the micros. THere's rarely an oppurtunity for much above level1 thinking (if you do think two levels above your opponents you're going to end up levelling yourself... cuz they won't get what you're doing.. they just see their own two cards.. "I gots da Acezzz!!".. never mind if the board is 4 to a straight or it just paired, etc.
Best off just reading your opponents & then making necessary adjustments for playing against each of them & when playing in the micros there's often some HUGE differences in playing styles amongst the players on the table.. "BUT" they're also often very discernible (easy to pick up on). We do the same thing in higher buyins 'but' the game is different as most will be thinking on higher levels & game becomes a much more thinking game (it's still about exploiting your opponent's tendancies & weaknesses though.. but at least at higher buyins you know you dont' have villain 'flatting' for 1/4+ of their stack pre.. & if they do it's because they've got the very top of their range (AA/KK & are trapping).. cuz anything else that would be committing this much would be shoving or folding (< small/brief example). In higher buyins it's more about "what is my opponent capable of in this spot > ie. I've raised with a 30-35bb stack.. do they believe I wil fold to a 3bet here (there's still room for me to find a fold).. whereas if I'm raising with 22-30.. they 'know' that they can't 3bet light because they'll be priced in if I 4bet shove (< just another brief example).

Myself I'm in a bit of a quandry at the moment. The site I prefer to play on the most, I'm not rolled well enough to play in anything that I like playing (In the past 12mos. I've transferred off a big chunk of my bankroll & actually now have much less on there than I've won in freerolls alone).. So because of this I just don't have much interest & lately have found when I have played a few smaller buyin games, I'm just not into it.
Pretty sure I need to do something differently.
lately I've been playing some MTT's on 888Poker & Titan, & am considering transferring some $'s off & over to Fullltilt where I would prefer to be playing (maybe some over to Stars too... although I don't mind grinding out the micro MTTs as much on there as I do on Fulltilt... I just can't do it on Fulltilt.. argh!!).

My other plan (aside from transferring $'s)... get into putting in some time grinding some games where I know I can turn a profit... put my head down, put in some time (probably ALOT of time) & grind the bankroll up to where I can move up in levels. (but.. DON'T Transfer it all away.. meanwhile I made another transfer this evening, lol).

[beanfacekilla]

Thing is in micros.. you do need to get some cards, lol. I don't think there were more than 10% of the hands played in the first hour or two of each MTT I was in where I wasn't totally amazed/appalled/shocked by HOW BAD both (or each) of the players played who were involved in the hand(s). They were AWFUL!! Limp A6o in EP, call a 6x raise OOP.. was normal. Then Donkbetting POT into the raiser with TopPr. No Kicker... was the norm (or MPTK ... & willing to get it allin with it too!). Seriously, it was just soooooo bad that I couldnt' even believe it. (i'm talking about guys playing 200+bb pots with shitty hands... just real bad.... Very OFTEN!)

When I used to play at fulltilt, thats how it seemed to me. No one would ever fold, and they always drew me out. I said more than a year ago (when I was not the poker player I am now, not like I am that great now) that I would never ever play on fulltilt or jokerstars again. People are just crazy on those.... My opinion. Good post PO. Peace.

[jaykedog]

I agree...I hate playing donkeys...especially on sites that veer towards the impossible...I'd rather play well versed poker players and test my skills rather than my luck!

[Assistanc3]

I can confirm Donkeys play at all levels

[beanfacekilla]

I can confirm Donkeys play at all levels

Hell yeah they do. ALL levels. There are always bad players lurking in the bushes, waiting to pounce.

[Assistanc3]

not all Donkeys are bad players


a Donkey understands why they are playing less probable wining cards

[beanfacekilla]

That's good dude. They understand, they just choose to do so. LOL. Peace.