Live hand analysis

[pirates831]

Playing $1/$2 NL with about 8 players at a casino tonight.

Big raises had become raise and take its and I wanted some action, so I raised UTG with QQ to $8. Got 3 callers. $31 in the pot.

Flop comes Qc 5c 4d. I bet $25 and get 2 callers.

Turn is a 3c. Probably the worst card. So I check the turn and the next guy checks. Third guy bets $65 into about a $100 pot.

What's your move?

[Poker Orifice]

Depends a bit on how deep the stacks are.... but w/o knowing this, I 'call' here (better hands obv aren't folding if I shove, & if the board pairs there's a good chance I'm getting all of villain's chips).

[thejudge]

I call....what happened?

[BluffYou123]

For sure the worst card you could have seen on the turn but you gotta call and see what develops.

If the board doesn't pair on the river, you're very likely to be beat so you can release the hand with a good lay down.

How did it play out anyway?

[pirates831]

For sure the worst card you could have seen on the turn but you gotta call and see what develops.

If the board doesn't pair on the river, you're very likely to be beat so you can release the hand with a good lay down.

How did it play out anyway?

I called. River was another 4. I pushed. He folded.

[sos_egg_n]

call but it is a tight one assuming u are behind which may not be the case as he could of just detectected ur flop bet as a bluff and ur check on turn would mayb confirm this for him.

But u still have 10 outs regardless so u want 3.6 to 1 on ur call so at 65 u want 234 ontop as u are guaranteed 165 it should of been easy enough to get another 69 dollar following the river altho this time it was not the case. Personally tho i would of checked the flop and reraised as no one will fold the hands u want folded ie str8's flushes and its a nightmare when the draws drop on the turn.

Rgds

Sos

[Peteyweestro]

Once again i see all the math involved to be a decent player and it makes my head hurt, lol. Thats is why i will forever be a donk!

[sos_egg_n]

out of interest how much did u push for?

[Poker Orifice]

Once again i see all the math involved to be a decent player and it makes my head hurt, lol. Thats is why i will forever be a donk!

nah.. that's not true. He's calculating in some 'implied odds'.. but don't worry about that stuff.

For simplified start on the 'math', Phil Gordon's book describe's the 2/4 rule for calculating odds of making your hand. Take pot odds into consideration & you'll have an idea if calling is good or not (he also has some charts in his 'little green book'.. or it is the 'little blue book'.. it think in the green edition?... anyways, the charts show what size of bets you can profitably be calling with # of outs you have < it's a simplified approach but a great step in the right direction... lots of other things to consider during tournament play though... we're not always taking every single hand +EV situation all of the time < and 'that' would be another topic, lol).

[sos_egg_n]

nah.. that's not true. He's calculating in some 'implied odds'.. but don't worry about that stuff.



Assuming my maths are correct which i havent double checked then my statemrnt is FACTUAL u will the large majority of the time have to used IMPLIED odds unless ur opponent bets way to low. Barry Greinstein may have a simplified way off calculating that does not make my statement incorrect.

Please advise why my logic is NOT correct as this is not my OPINION but is like a say is purely logic and maths.


PS i am not annoyed but am interested to know what u see as the flaw in my post


Cheers

Sos