Something I should have learned a long time ago

[Knapper32927]

We all know that big hands in the pocket need to be protected, which is why fixed limit frustrates some of us (me lol) but..
AK os - is not a good hand. You don't even have a pair. Dueces will beat you. All the non-suited paint cards are just call hands, not bet big to protect them hands.
Non-paired paint pockets that are suited, is a little better, but just think about what the odds are of actually getting a flush. They don't come up all that often.
I think that it started to dawn on me the other night, I had a gooood stack, and was getting AK , or 10J, over and over, 'big' pockets, but no big pairs, no real flush draws. The flops seemed to miss me all over the place. The blinds had gotten large, so in betting big to 'protect' these big hands, I was just giving away chips after chips after chips - you can't force the baord, you have to play what you are dealt.
When you couple that with antes being introduced by this time in the tournie, I gave up half my stack just trying to 'protect' my damn cards.
That's when I went to ring games LOL
Anyway..just thought I would throw that out there, us beginners have to stay together, right?

Knapper

[Zach]

Limit is an entirely different world.

Low & mid pairs in the hole are at best call to see the flop - and then burn if you do not hit trips....

What the current wave of no limit online tourney players lack is a basic understanding of the game of poker.

Not their fault - they have only seen, and for the most part only played in any great amount a game that is the most simple form of poker there is.

Thats why you see these players calling actually good players "donkeys" in limit games. They do not understand the concept of seven cards and the only thing they know about an out is that they don't want to be out.

In limit - its all about outs. Limit hold'em is much simplier than stud to read obviously - as everyone is working from the same thing - but the concept is the same.

You know that if you have four cards to the flush on the flop ... then no matter what the bet is, if there is at least two other players in the hand - you call it through - sometimes you hit - most times you do not.

But over the long haul - it more than pays off. If you are heads up and have a flush draw ... you dump it ... over the long haul ... heads up, it will not pay for itself.

Draws that hit are not "donkey" plays. Thats poker. You have to know the odds - and caclulate if its going to pay off over the long haul or not.

Thats winning limit poker.

Unfortunantly - the no limit tourney player thinks the key to winning is AA.

.. personally - I would rather have AK suited, or KQ suited than AA in limit hold'em.

More outs.

[jacks_off4me]

hi, i wouldnt rather have AK or KQ suited instead of aces but as far as i know/read big pocket cards off suit are called "trouble hand",,,

i think it because they always bring trouble but other than that- anyone knows why they are called this way?

[jbround]

I've heard them called trouble hands also. I've always thought it was because they put you in a tough position after the flop. These are the types of hands that can only win you a small pot, because generally you are just going to get top pair. If you get a lot of resistance, it probably means you are beat. So I think they are trouble because there is a tendency to put too much in the pot when the only hands you can beat would never be putting much in there.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by jacks_off4me

hi, i wouldnt rather have AK or KQ suited instead of aces

I am more interested in the size of the win in limit than just a win.

AKs, KQs is going to hit something better than one pair far more often than AA is going to ... meaning that while you will win more often with AA, you will win far more money over the long run with AKs, KQs

[celik2204]

AKo, AQo, AJo KQo et KJo are the most non value hands for me !! It's fast to loose many chips with these hands... So I play it very carefully and fold them if I don't hit top pair big kicker.

[Sandman2369]

Before the final table, I gotta agree with celik, pocket pairs (10 and greater) are going to either net me the blinds if everyone folds to my bet, or raise the pot, in a hand that I have a good chance of winning. AK through A10 can make you a lot of money, but I have found that I lose more (chips) than I win as they do not hit all that often. And if they don't hit the guy/gal across the table is going to beat me with a pair of 2s.

[AssFlusher]

You must be able to fold

[alqazaha]

i had the same problem too. i was playing limit poker and i lost a lot. top pair was beat by two lower pairs and most of the times high cards don't flop.
i guess it was a bad day.

[pirates831]

Originally Posted by AssFlusher

You must be able to fold

or at worst maintain pot control if you refuse to fold.