I think low limit games are not ideal for beginners??

[Dazzler69]

Loads of poker sites advertise that they have micro limit games such as $0.02/$0.01 limits up to about $0.20/$0.10 games, and they say that these are good for beginners to learn the game and to hone their skills, but I think that is definately not the case.

When playing micro limit games most people dont care about the money, you could raise like 5times the bilind with a good hand, but because it would only be like 10cents or something people will call with garbage. So how is a player supposed to get better at poker if they have AA and raise 10x the blind but get called by someone with rags and then they hit.

[scrawnybob]

hi Dazzler

I'd have to agree certainly at the lower limits and looser sites you are more likely to suffer bad beats and not be able to move people off hands etc

but I think the reason why they market micro-limit games is to get play money players to actually try real money for low risk

If you think back to how bad the players are in play money - micro limit look relatively tight

I agree it isn't but low limit games are the first place play money players move to next.

The most important thing is eveyone's bankroll management is different - and everyones wealth is different

you will find maniacs and casino gamblers in the higher limits playing just as bad but with bigger money - to them its the all the same.

If your playing right for every 10x raise badbeat you suffer you should get more back the times it pays off from the same maniacs and chancers

cheers scrawnybob

[wheeloftime]

i have to disagree. The low limit games are a good learning tool. For the tables like you decribed, and yes i have been at them. just change tables. sit and watch for a few hands to see how they bet and how they react to bets and losses. then decide if you want to put your money in.

[YoungGunKid]

I disagree micro-limits can be very profitable with all of the maniacs that go-all in every other hand and call 6xx big blind raises with rags because 8/10 times you probably going to nail them dead with a strong hand.Just have to pick the best spots,and get your money in good

[brinx]

Originally Posted by Dazzler69

Loads of poker sites advertise that they have micro limit games such as $0.02/$0.01 limits up to about $0.20/$0.10 games, and they say that these are good for beginners to learn the game and to hone their skills, but I think that is definately not the case.

When playing micro limit games most people dont care about the money, you could raise like 5times the bilind with a good hand, but because it would only be like 10cents or something people will call with garbage. So how is a player supposed to get better at poker if they have AA and raise 10x the blind but get called by someone with rags and then they hit.

... id like to agree that the newbs shouldnt play in those cuz alot of people with almost unlimited funs go there and the make all ins often ...however...if its pot or fixed limit...much better for newbs so no allins to bust them out.

[GypsyTea]

Originally Posted by Dazzler69

Loads of poker sites advertise that they have micro limit games such as $0.02/$0.01 limits up to about $0.20/$0.10 games, and they say that these are good for beginners to learn the game and to hone their skills, but I think that is definately not the case.

When playing micro limit games most people dont care about the money, you could raise like 5times the bilind with a good hand, but because it would only be like 10cents or something people will call with garbage. So how is a player supposed to get better at poker if they have AA and raise 10x the blind but get called by someone with rags and then they hit.

One of the Best Post in this forum I have read!

I 100% agree with you.

[YoungGunKid]

I guess we'll all agree that its just purely based on your perspective...I personally like to take advantage of those insanely maniacle players in the micro/limits like 5/10 cent or 10/20 they just want double ups so they go all in every other hand...so you just back get a primo and double up through them,and sometimes they'll buy back in 5 times and you can really take some $$$ from them

[GypsyTea]

Hey Kid I seen you play I am impressed.

Regards



ps how did you do last night/this morning? I didnt get in the tourny due to a prior commitment

[Drakken]

Originally Posted by Dazzler69

Loads of poker sites advertise that they have micro limit games such as $0.02/$0.01 limits up to about $0.20/$0.10 games, and they say that these are good for beginners to learn the game and to hone their skills, but I think that is definately not the case.

When playing micro limit games most people dont care about the money, you could raise like 5times the bilind with a good hand, but because it would only be like 10cents or something people will call with garbage. So how is a player supposed to get better at poker if they have AA and raise 10x the blind but get called by someone with rags and then they hit.

So you don't like to learn to play poker while steali... I mean taking the pots created by those maniacs who don't give a damn about giving away their loose change? What kind of attitude is that. Poker is all about the money! You don't want to play against the best, but fleece the worst out of their money into your bankroll. The more money you take from them, the more you rise your bankroll, and in time the higher the limits you can play, and it gets exponential.

Being called by someone with rags who hits once in a while is part of poker. Your pocket aces are worth nothing by themselves if the rag makes your opponent a straight, a flush or even a set. I sometime limp in with poor hands (like 46o) in late position just in case I might fall on a straight draw or two pairs. I might even raise with Sklansky "Group 9" hands (don't try to find them, these hands aren't on the lists) to make sure I have good pot odds to a nut hand after the flop. It might seem counter-intuitive, but in limit poker there is a huge difference between drawing to 2:10 pot odds (1 in 5) and to 2:46 (1 in 23) pot odds, especially if the pot is massive and every one calls with any shitty hand. And raising might scare away players who could have beaten me after the flop with their own trouble hands.

The difference is that I can read the texture of the board, and they can't. And the difference is huge. One of the first things to grasp almost instinctively is the ability to identify what are the nuts of a given board. That way you can figure what other players might have that can beat you (or not) and, by extension, if you have the best hand.

If you see that your AA is the only pair you have when a possible straight or flush draw is drawn on the board, then you mentally calculate your pot odds and your outs and decide to keep it or fold it. If it isn't learning how to get better at poker, I don't know what else is. Figuring the outs and odds is one of the b.a. basics of poker.

Really, AA is not the be all and end all of Texas Hold'em. AA is quite beatable with the right texture, and a lot of texture boards beat AA. I have even folded AA after the flop because it was evident that unless I had quads I could never win that pot.

So learn poker, play hard, play smart, and take the fishes' loose change off their pockets!

[youngwayne]

who doesn't want the call from the rag hand when you have AA. Yes, at times your beats are going to be worse at the lower limits because of all the loose calls, but over time you come out ahead playing solid ABC poker at the micro limits. you want the rag hand to call you when you raise huge with AA do not forget that and do not forget that around 20% of the time when tey do you will lose. it's just part of it.