Bodog is rigged

[Faen]

I have been playing on bodog almost everyday for 6 months, and it seems to be totally rigged.. A lot of players would usually ask; "Why would Bodog care which player wins as long as they get their tourny entry fees and rake?"

Well the answer is by tweaking the coding, they can keep more players. Let's say person A is a new player and person B a regular player who has played for some hours. Then if the code would let person A win, person A would have a positive experience and become addicted. Person B has already proven a faithfull or addicted costumer by playing for x amount of hours, and is less unlikely to leave after losing than person A. Then soon person A will be unlucky to the benefit of another. So by tweaking the odds of the card distributions, they can easily attract more costumers and earn a lot of more money!

So here are my observations.. The first one or two tournaments i play i almost always win. I usually play 10 man SnGs. Then if i end up playing the whole day it becomes nearly impossible to win. The unluck becomes completely unbelievable to the EXTREMES. I have observed this over the last 6 months every day.. I ALWAYS win in the beginning and ALWAYS lose if i play a lot. It just can't be a coincidence.. When it comes to cash games, i haven't played em nearly as much as tournies, but i remember the first time when i was a new player, i played a bit, and i kept getting straights when people flopped sets and so on and had suspiciously lot of luck. Then if i try a cashgame after a while i'm extremely unlucky..

The luck really does vary according to how much and how long time it is since you played on Bodog.. I think it is very sad that I am not playing poker with uniform card distribution, but some rigged corrupt shit... So I'd just like to warn other poker players out there before choosing Bodog.

[Ramster]

I just play a couple of games there every month or so and i'm in front
I guess Bodog just havent caught up with me yet



A little tip buddy

If you are winning after a couple of games and then losing

Leave for the day/week after your wins its not rocket science

Or even go play at a site you dont think is rigged
I know if i thought i was playing somewhere that wasnt above board i would be getting out of there pretty fast

Oh and by the way
It might just be worth going over your HH and being really honest with yourself

Or there again you could be wanting to get a drunk Brit to waste 10 minutes of his life trying to dispel your conspiracy theories

[Faen]

I just play a couple of games there every month or so and i'm in front
I guess Bodog just havent caught up with me yet



A little tip buddy

If you are winning after a couple of games and then losing

Leave for the day/week after your wins its not rocket science

Or even go play at a site you dont think is rigged
I know if i thought i was playing somewhere that wasnt above board i would be getting out of there pretty fast

Oh and by the way
It might just be worth going over your HH and being really honest with yourself

Or there again you could be wanting to get a drunk Brit to waste 10 minutes of his life trying to dispel your conspiracy theories

Yeah trying to be strict with myself and not play too much has made me profit from there in the long run. But if i ever happen to get addicted enough to play the whole day which surely happens some times the amount of unlucky I am is just unrealistic. I am not saying this based on some bad beats, but this is based on every day observation over a long period of time.

Trying other poker sites is a great idea, I was thinking about doing it. Should also be some nice bonuses to farm

[BodogBecky]

I have been playing on bodog almost everyday for 6 months, and it seems to be totally rigged.. A lot of players would usually ask; "Why would Bodog care which player wins as long as they get their tourny entry fees and rake?"

Well the answer is by tweaking the coding, they can keep more players. Let's say person A is a new player and person B a regular player who has played for some hours. Then if the code would let person A win, person A would have a positive experience and become addicted. Person B has already proven a faithfull or addicted costumer by playing for x amount of hours, and is less unlikely to leave after losing than person A. Then soon person A will be unlucky to the benefit of another. So by tweaking the odds of the card distributions, they can easily attract more costumers and earn a lot of more money!

So here are my observations.. The first one or two tournaments i play i almost always win. I usually play 10 man SnGs. Then if i end up playing the whole day it becomes nearly impossible to win. The unluck becomes completely unbelievable to the EXTREMES. I have observed this over the last 6 months every day.. I ALWAYS win in the beginning and ALWAYS lose if i play a lot. It just can't be a coincidence.. When it comes to cash games, i haven't played em nearly as much as tournies, but i remember the first time when i was a new player, i played a bit, and i kept getting straights when people flopped sets and so on and had suspiciously lot of luck. Then if i try a cashgame after a while i'm extremely unlucky..

The luck really does vary according to how much and how long time it is since you played on Bodog.. I think it is very sad that I am not playing poker with uniform card distribution, but some rigged corrupt shit... So I'd just like to warn other poker players out there before choosing Bodog.

I can assure you that bodog poker is not rigged in any way. The software is audited by third party companies, more information here: http://poker.bodog.eu/how-to-play/shuffle-certification.html

Thanks,
Becky

[n8ph8ts]

I dont know who u are Becky,but i have been playing poker for over 40 years and i have never seen anything like what is happening on bodog,i have also been on bodog for about 6 years now,no matter what table or what seat i go to i am getting the same cards every day..5/2..6/2...7/2.I also play 3 live tournys a week at my local casino and this does not happen...

[scrawnybob]

hi

just to let you know bodogbecky is one of the reps from bodog -

we are lucky that she has taken an interest in the forum and posted, she is a great asset to bodog and hopefully will continue to post here

I guess however your talking about recent software changes - I havent had a chance to look at them yet but get the feeling feedback is mixed

while I think the anonymous table idea is a bad one for a host of reasons -

mainly because it ruins any kind of sociability of the game in the chat box and also being able to remember who you are playing ... lets be honest there is nothing wrong with making player notes of people you have actually played ... you cant do that with annon tables

however I think trying to stop data mining and minimising artifical advantages is a good idea - but maybe done a different way

I think the issue is that Bodog is primarily a sportsbook and not solely a poker room - It may simply be that they want to service the sportsbook customers with a poker room but minimise the attraction to poker players looking to take advantage of the softer sportsbook players - that is my guess

lets hope that they see the level of dislike in the forum and change back to names on tables

however I'm not sure that the new software has changed the RNG ?????

I might be wrong but is there anywhere that says they are using a new random number generator ? I guess this is what you are aluding to that you have played there for 6 years and recently its gone to pot

cheers SB

[BodogBecky]

Thanks for that scrawnybob

Just wanted to share with you guys a few words from the Bodog Network CEO Jonas Odman on the software upgrade and why some of the changes were made:

Jonas Odman on the Bodog Network Software Update

Also, I will find out about the RNG and update this thread asap.

Thanks!
Becky

[Faen]

***UPDATE***

So I decided to make a minimum depositum on Bodog just to see if anything had changed. Obviously on my first day, I had a lot of luck, got straight vs anothers AA, got lots of straights and so on. Then day 2, I was unlucky to the EXTREMES again. I played for like 8 hours straight. I lost 90% of the time when I had the best cards such as AJ or higher kicker or JJ or better. I had KK 2 times. Both of the times the opponent had straight, then stacked me.

I concider myself quite good at sucking money out of people, and a bunch of times I had top or two pairs and managed to trick the opponent to go all in with junk or lower kicker. Every time the opponent went all in on the flop with a worse hand than me, he won. 5 times he had like 4 outs to get a straight and they hit it, 5 fucking times. I can tell for sure that something is defenatly not right. I've been barely staying alive by being extremely patient waiting for situations where I am like 100% sure to win. I've only mentioned a very few of the bad beats I had in this posts. It's just fucked up. I ended the night with a donk going all in all the time with junk, called him two times, first time he had KT vs my AJ, and he got straight. Then next time I had AJ again and he went all in with crap and won again. I know it's normal to have many bad beats, but the amount of unluck I've had is HIGHLY unlikely. At least when I've experienced that it happens every fuc king day before. Is it really a coincidence that I always have luck the first time I play, then become impossibly unlucky the next days? I'm sure not. Happens all the fucking time. The greedy fucks on Bodog tweaked the code determining cards to keep non addicted customers who play for the first time.

Before anybody is going to tell me that I'm just a donk who is bad at poker, I can tell you that I have profited more than I have lost. Just last week I earned 300$ on 888poker on playing low stakes games. I reccomend nobody to deposit on Bodog. There are many better sites out there, with better deposit bonuses as well.

Also the Bodog software is very laggy and with annoying sounds. Tournaments are expensive compared to rewards.

[scrawnybob]

hi

I wont get too involved in yet another "xyz is rigged" thread

just to say that you will equally find 888 is rigged / ipoker is rigged and our uber long unsuprisingly pokerstars is rigged threads -

so one player would happily play at a site that another is convinced is rigged or in the case of pokerstars there are so many doom mongers because the site is 5 times the size of its nearest competitor

comparing two days play is I'm sorry to say utterly rediculous statistically - that in itself sets off alarms if you think that is a sensible comparision to make

players should know that 100,000 hands is the bare minimum to start looking for "anomalies" and recently a much more realistic 1 million hands is the statistically accepted level at which most other elements can be ruled out (like variance)

comparing over 2 days like 50 good /50 bad to be honest really doesnt tell you anything ... other than day one you got a bit luckier and on day two you got a bit unluckier

which is pretty much what to expect

you said yourself - day one you BB'd someones AA getting straights etc

day 2 they're straights beat your KK etc

that is poker - there is nothing rigged about a roller coaster ride if you look at the tiny part of the picture

also AJ against K10 is only a 60/40 hand IMHO that is only slightly better than a coin flip and is certainly NOT getting it in particularly good or being anything like way ahead

This is all suposed to be constructive BTW

I would suggest if you have won $300 in cash games on 888 over say 30 days of playing for a hour or two, then say 3 days on bodog and winning one and losing a couple of others

you have 10% of your hands on bodog and 90% on 888 that means you have alot more hands on 888 to compare relatively ... thats very relative though

your no where near 100k and a million miles from a million

BTW no-one has ever show ANY proof over a million hands at any site that they are rigged ... not one

and to my knowledge no-one has even managed to show anything out of the accepted level of variance on 100k hands either

forget the rigged theory and improve your game - having rigged this and that in you head WILL make you play even worse

cheers SB

ps. personally when I first started checking sites for reviews etc etc I would see patterns everywhere and could have very very easily talked myself into all sorts of nonsense

888 ... definately hit more club and black card flushes especially when behing

UB ... they always hit read flushes - always when I'm way ahead

PS ... QQ always loses when on the bubble and they hit runner runner 2 outer type hands

ipoker ... everyone makes a run or a flush on 2 out of 3 hands

full tilt ... there is always a pair and over pair or AK in every single hand dealt

bodog ... I can win with anything but cant bluff with anything

all of the above have happened while I've played but prove absolutely nothing - it just proves that over a still relatively small HH combining ALL the hands from ALL the sites ... my hands and results are nothing particularly out of the ordinary and certainly well with in accepted norms of variance

[Poker Orifice]

I have been playing on bodog almost everyday for 6 months, and it seems to be totally rigged.. A lot of players would usually ask; "Why would Bodog care which player wins as long as they get their tourny entry fees and rake?"

Well the answer is by tweaking the coding, they can keep more players. Let's say person A is a new player and person B a regular player who has played for some hours. Then if the code would let person A win, person A would have a positive experience and become addicted. Person B has already proven a faithfull or addicted costumer by playing for x amount of hours, and is less unlikely to leave after losing than person A. Then soon person A will be unlucky to the benefit of another. So by tweaking the odds of the card distributions, they can easily attract more costumers and earn a lot of more money!

So here are my observations.. The first one or two tournaments i play i almost always win. I usually play 10 man SnGs. Then if i end up playing the whole day it becomes nearly impossible to win. The unluck becomes completely unbelievable to the EXTREMES. I have observed this over the last 6 months every day.. I ALWAYS win in the beginning and ALWAYS lose if i play a lot. It just can't be a coincidence.. When it comes to cash games, i haven't played em nearly as much as tournies, but i remember the first time when i was a new player, i played a bit, and i kept getting straights when people flopped sets and so on and had suspiciously lot of luck. Then if i try a cashgame after a while i'm extremely unlucky..

The luck really does vary according to how much and how long time it is since you played on Bodog.. I think it is very sad that I am not playing poker with uniform card distribution, but some rigged corrupt shit... So I'd just like to warn other poker players out there before choosing Bodog.

Have you ever spoken with anyone who programs software? Because what you're suggesting is not only ridiculous but also next to impossible.

So you're suggesting that my first two games I'm gonna run great but then the rest I'm gonna run like crap? Is that right?
Well I'm playing the $162 buyin $100Kguar. this weekend & next weekend so I'll be sure to not play any games inbetween (cuz I wouldn't want their programmers to hit the doomswitch on me).

I have a question for you. How many good players do you ever hear say that online pokersite's are rigged? I doubt you'll even find ONE out of 5,000.
Also, why is it that guys who have large HH databases have never ever discovered anything out of the ordinary when analying them? Do ya think cuz maybe it's 'not rigged'?