not a place for solid players.

[jacks_off4me]

hi all,

once again, yesterdays freeroll has proved me full tilt poker is not a site for a solid "one big bet an hour" player. i dont play freerolls anymore btw, but even now as i became a real not bad at all IMO poker player i dont think ill ever invest there out of my own pocket and the reason for that- believe me or not, isnt even the players themselves. its their card random dealer.

i've played long enough to say what i'm saying here- this site is if not rigged, then its deffinately a big joke for someone who thinks he has the nuts till the E-dealer proves him wrong once again.

its not about odds, not about plays its about making a card player go insane when this "bullshit" they are running on the board again and again and once again- just for you, the player who thought he has seen it all and used to believe poker was a game of skill- not luck.

my examples are simple i think, compairing to the ones i already saw you guys talk about, what a surpirse: only at/about full tilt poker.

the pros may not agree with me because their game- earned money comes from their huge bluffs or playing the players, but in an all-in situation/showdown it becomes a joke.

ok, so its not a big deal that i lose all-in preflop with my QQ to pocket 66's though their are a massive underdog at this situation but the more amazing hand was this:

the flop comes 10 7 Q.... a raise and a reraise and the obvious allin from both players-

one player is holding posket 10's the other had Q8 (btw you all think Q8 is a playable hand?!)

so the turn comes Q to give the 10's a full house and trips to the Q8.....

the river (the damn unbe"you still havent seen it all"lieveble FTP river) is another Q to complete a four of a king to the Q8 guy...

WHAT?? WHAT ELSE THERE IS TO SAY???

its not that the Q8 guy is a complete donk, but the random cards are just UNREAL at full tilt poker.

freerolls? ill play no problem. real money??? for what, for this?!?!

[kingjames07]

back when i started tilt was my fav...just because it was mainly the only one i played at..... but it no longer ranks not even in my top 5....lol

[scrawnybob]

hi

I'm still very much on the fence with the whole RNG rigged theories - I appreciate that alot of players who are experienced "see" issues as well as the less experienced who shout out "rigged" when those cases are really really easy to diagnose as bad play rather than a bad RNG

anyway I personally think that I've seen or felt probably a fair share of very long short bad beats which many would put down to an iffy RNG - but I've also seen as many long shot bad beats in live home games - so I'm not saying anyone is wrong to feel these long shot bad beats but equally they seem to happen at all poker sites

I've had nut flushes fall to runner runner full houses or AA against AA lose to them making a flush or me bad beat someone else catching a 5 of spades to make them a FH and me a straight flush

all these have happened at different sites - so while this is a free and open forum so I dont moderate negative feedback on rooms (so long as its in the realms of sanity) I personally think the poker sites have a big incentive to keep the games straight

As I've said before alot of geeks do watch all the sites and collect alot of data - this was how they did find CHEATING (not a bad RNG) at Absolute and more recently at UB.

I also commented in my blog that this is a good thing for players - finding these rougue staff members who were cheating - but thats pretty isolated out of millions of players

Absolute Poker Scandal Posts at 4kingpokerblog.com

also this is an interesting post at another site

Absolute Poker Scandal could be good for online poker

also suggesting like me that if anything this gives sites even more reason to make sure their RNG's run true

anyway I put that out there for discussion

cheers scrawnybob

[nudist30]

You know I am going to comment on your comment. I am sorry to say if you are still on the fence because dude I know something is up at Full Tilt. I mean when I have AA in the hole the flop comes up A83 and I had already raised it before the flop and then bet out on the flop and this other guy goes all in. and he flips over 8 3 offsuit and the turn and river are both the case 8's to give him a 4 of a kind 8's. I am sorry but that is not random cards in my honest opinion dude. I know you are a good guy but come off it you know something is fishy at full tilt. It's either that the RNG is broke or someone is using a cheating program one of the two. I think full tilt really does need to fix whatever the issue is and I do believe there are people that have cheating programs and are using them to their full potential. Are they at full tilt probably however i believe they are also at other sites such as bodog and Pokerstars but the key is to prove that they are using them. That is going to be hard but in any event I do believe that the problem at full tilt is their RNG is not random at all and is in serious need of an overhaul.

Dude I have seen some crazy shit in the last 2 -3 weeks and I mean really out there stuff both ways with me winning hands and losing hands. Its gotten to the point where I loook at J10 and i say What the hell lets take it out for a flier and sure enough I end up getting the perfect flop 789 lol or AKQ I mean dude something is up and if you haven't figured it out yet keep on watching it will hit you like a ton of bricks eventually lol.

[scrawnybob]

hi

I guess what I'm getting at is that none of us will ever KNOW something is 100% - I dont have any insider knowledge anymore than anyone else

BUT

I know that the players who found the issues at UB and Absolute have been routinely inputting and analysing 100's of 1000's of hands at all the sites - so they are watching out for us

Maybe something has changed, maybe not but as you said this "seems" to also be an "issue" at other sites ... which logic then suggests either all of them have a problem or the problem isnt a real one but perceived

When I say that I'm sitting on the fence thats not just because I dont feel that they have rigged RNG's but I personally havent got a definative way of proving it either way - but I do think that something would have come out from the guys who really have the hand history numbers to be able to spot an issue - the vast majority of individual players hand histories are no where near enough to be able to come up with a valid conclusion.

thats why in a way the whole Absolute / UB thing getting spotted by players / the geeks running big samples on lots of sites - is reasuring because they are looking on all sites

I know one of the big video presenters of poker news has said they have found issues - but to be honest their sample size is frankly laughable - and therefore inconclusive

I'm not defending the sites blindly but if logical maths says you need x10,000+ hands to even come out with some hint of a RNG issue then we cant prove somthing with 100 or a 1000 sample - it could just as easily be a genuine anomaly with the odds over too short a time

cheers scrawnybob

[jctm1988]

Well i in the 4kingpoker tour , recently i had ffs 3 bad beats in the same table, i have allot of people conferming that, it was unbelievable, but i still like ftp more then pokerstars , pkr is getting in my eyes , but still hmm ye i got to agree its super sick getting miracle runner runner, i dont see it allot on tilt, but it happend to me a few times last week, so .. maybe someone is doing something , look for all everybody is the best , and skilled , and dont forget, what farha said, to beat a good player. i dont really need a hand, but when the player is a donk .. i need a hand, now your going BUT I HAD A HAND IT WAS THE NUTS,

This may sound bit ocward now, but was it the ABSOLUTE NUTS ? like top house, or quads or straight flush ? royal, cause you do know in the back of your head, if hes going for his runner runner , or just has nothing , but needs two cards to win , then he still has a chance to win correct ? me saying this i want to hit myself , cause its ffs in reallistic ?? like a long shot impossible to pull it off over and over and over ... yes over and over, seems kinda ................ right ? but allot say me to it happens in real life aswell , ofcourse i saw two weeks ago jj vs 10 10 j flops , 10 turn 10 river holy we the jj guy SCREAMED AAAHHH , it was a 25 buy in , 42 players and 8 left , first 7 payed . so ye it happens, but it only happend 1x in the whole tournament i didnt see the other tables , but lets say 2 3 bad beats ? ok , now online you get that x 20 on one table , so ? and now your going to say .. ye but online you play like 100 x more hands then real life , ok true , Run it for me 100 x same hand lets see who wins ..


So ? i think i coverd up the whole bad beat rigged or equalizer or anything out there. today i played pokerstars 6.50 tour, i placed second out 18 people, 1 bad beat , so guess bit luck , uhm why are you playing at stars ? tought you quit , ye i play small ball have 0 on tilt atm and i lost at pkr poker had 50 bucks had ak spades, k on flop 3 k 7 , so it was raise reraise not all to much from him , i call , he bets out , i call , 9 river , no collours no flush chance no straight chance , he goes alll innn 50 bucks YE CALL KING ACE KICKERRR

Opponent turns over AA WOOOT \

Lol so even if i had top two .. i was basically drawing for the other king .

To bad no ? so lost my full roll on pkr .
ftp lost all , told ya last few weeks beats beats ... no way i tought i had it with my AA A 7 3 flop , nope ( no collours no flush possible ) believe me i raised more then enought 1 caller, he just shoves all in ??? i think 2 secs , i call ofcourse !!! 8 turn river 9 he shows yep yep you guessed correct ofcourse he shows me 10 j WOOOT straight but then you go how much was it ? UHHH 150 DOLLARSSSSS , ye im not going crazy ofcourse not cause ive seen it all , but then you go , uhh was he bluffing ? or did he know hes going to get runner runner ? well i dont know guess ive seen so much hands that even i know sometimes a runner runner is going to come , they say fold fold behind me , while i was playing one hand , i had runner runner to come to win , but i said noo i know there coming and guess what YES they came , lol , but i dont do that anymore, cause i lost more then it earned me, but ok if you dont have the NUTS NUTS NUTS dont do it , but ok its to tempting to lay down nut straight on the board with no flush out there, so wauw long post about what poker is , BUT BELIEVE ME in realistic life this doesnt happen so often so dont give up on poker .


JCTM1988


Be realistic man darn .

[ariekralt]

I agree.There are so much rookies that goes all in with every ace, so solid players hasnt got many chance to win

[GypsyTea]

hi all,

once again, yesterdays freeroll has proved me full tilt poker is not a site for a solid "one big bet an hour" player. i dont play freerolls anymore btw, but even now as i became a real not bad at all IMO poker player i dont think ill ever invest there out of my own pocket and the reason for that- believe me or not, isnt even the players themselves. its their card random dealer.

i've played long enough to say what i'm saying here- this site is if not rigged, then its deffinately a big joke for someone who thinks he has the nuts till the E-dealer proves him wrong once again.

its not about odds, not about plays its about making a card player go insane when this "bullshit" they are running on the board again and again and once again- just for you, the player who thought he has seen it all and used to believe poker was a game of skill- not luck.

my examples are simple i think, compairing to the ones i already saw you guys talk about, what a surpirse: only at/about full tilt poker.

the pros may not agree with me because their game- earned money comes from their huge bluffs or playing the players, but in an all-in situation/showdown it becomes a joke.

ok, so its not a big deal that i lose all-in preflop with my QQ to pocket 66's though their are a massive underdog at this situation but the more amazing hand was this:

the flop comes 10 7 Q.... a raise and a reraise and the obvious allin from both players-

one player is holding posket 10's the other had Q8 (btw you all think Q8 is a playable hand?!)

so the turn comes Q to give the 10's a full house and trips to the Q8.....

the river (the damn unbe"you still havent seen it all"lieveble FTP river) is another Q to complete a four of a king to the Q8 guy...

WHAT?? WHAT ELSE THERE IS TO SAY???

its not that the Q8 guy is a complete donk, but the random cards are just UNREAL at full tilt poker.

freerolls? ill play no problem. real money??? for what, for this?!?!

Nice Post Jacks.

FT= Kahnawake, Seriously,, I am starting to have my doubts about games with any thing to do with Kahnawake!

I closed ALL my accounts including fulltilt before I went away to Malta.

Regards

GT

[luzipher]

I'm not a FTP defender, but that situation that you describe has an approximated probability of 1 in 2000, so is no either so wild to think you can be there to see with your own eyes.
I asume you saw the other kind of hand many times, Those in which TT beats Q8 without any problem. But as it is not a showy hand, then you do not consider them.

If you wanna do a serious analysis, then you would have to show a huge file of history hands and show that those things happen with more frequency of which they would have.

Just my two cents.

[jacks_off4me]

I'm not a FTP defender, but that situation that you describe has an approximated probability of 1 in 2000, so is no either so wild to think you can be there to see with your own eyes.
I asume you saw the other kind of hand many times, Those in which TT beats Q8 without any problem. But as it is not a showy hand, then you do not consider them.

If you wanna do a serious analysis, then you would have to show a huge file of history hands and show that those things happen with more frequency of which they would have.

Just my two cents.

Wow! hold your horses! here comes another one for you! it's frequent there believe me.

i should posted the hand historu but it wont let me copy paste it for some reason so there it is:

55 against QQ

flop comes 5 7 10... the 55's bet, the QQ IS ALL-IN.

and there is the crazy part: turn comes another Q river 5....

an unreal joke they are making of this wonderfull card game.

now how could this hand be played any differently, without the QQ losing all his chips in anyway?