Was this guy a Donk or what?

[Killa_Kowboyz]

I just came back from the Taj Mahal in AC. I was in a $1-$2 NLTH. I was in seat 2 and this donk was in seat 5 and another player in seat 9. The hand started with me in the big blind I had KQ suited (hearts) with about $145 in chips. When it got to me, I raised it from $2 to $12. These two are the only callers. The flop came out Qd 10h 7c. I bet $15, they both call. The turn was a 4d. I bet $25, seat 2 calls, seat 9 folds. The river is the 2s...I'm trying to maximize my hand value, so I bet $25 again, he calls. He shows me Q2 (clubs) and had the nerve to act like he played that so well. Didn't he realize that he had to be out kicked from the flop? Was that a Donk move or what?


Killa

[sos_egg_n]

yeah but at least he did have top pair seems dumb that when he hits his second pair he dont reraise u so even tho his hand got a hell of a lot better he still werent confident. He should of layed down after the turn as when u fired again he must know hes bhind and with possibility of better q.

[Dan Abnormal]

HOLY CRAP, Guess at some point my stomache is going have to handle this type of betting.

BB KQs

SEAT 5 = Qc2c ( I ASSUME this was the seat 2 you referred to)

SEAT 9 =?? (FOLDS AT TURN)


This is more for me than you. SO you raise $10 preflop (ID already be running from the table LOL) and everyone calls so there is $36 in at this point preflop

FLOP Qd 10h 7c

OK YOURE EARLY and bet $15 on the flop and both are with ya so now the pot is $81 (WHEW some rich mans poker lol)

TURN = 4d

You bet $25 and seat 5 calles and seat 9 folds so the pot is now $131

(What could seat 9 possible had to go this far in the pot, If he had a Q or maybe he was chasing some straight possible 9J does this sound right, Im just trying to anaylyze)

RIVER = 2s You bet $25 he calls so now we have $181 (ROLLING DAMN)


(NOW REMEMBER THIS IS MY ANALYSIS so Its probably out of wack. but being in the early position should you have been leading the table in all the bets and raises expecially when it seemed seat 5 was not leaving but he must of had you on a Q and you had to have on a Q but that 2 kicker isnt wise unless he had you on the 10. I dont know I just checking this out so I dont make mistakes tonight). Seat 5 would had mr pretty convinced he had 2 pairs (which he didnt at this point) or had a QA (which he didnt)

See where I play live I could see me losing this hand to someone playing a 2 4 - Out of curiosity was the guy young or medium age or was some old dude playing for thrill of using up all his retirment money before he dies. Im still trying to figure out how to overcome that at my place, since their is no range 22-AA is the range )and everything in between) but I just play $1 limit tables so I dont know but Im sure some of those old rich folks love the no limit thrill too

Youre first bet would of folded me (but hey I bitch when I gotta post blinds LOL)

[Killa_Kowboyz]

yeah but at least he did have top pair seems dumb that when he hits his second pair he dont reraise u so even tho his hand got a hell of a lot better he still werent confident. He should of layed down after the turn as when u fired again he must know hes bhind and with possibility of better q.

Ok, he had two pair but who calls a $10 raise with Qc2c? I would understand that argument more if he called $2, I raised from $2 to $5 and he figured it's only $3 more for a possible high flush draw or flush on the flop. And even that argument has flaws in it. However to call a $10 raise, $15 & $25 bets with the worst kicker possible is insane.

Killa

[Sm102279]

I seen this a lot. On a cash game , people chase till river. To you it's a huge bet, but to him he got top pair , so why not $15. When I was at new Orleans last week playing $2/5 cash game. I had pocket AA, guy before me raised to $75, I called and guy after me called $75. Flop was 6.k.J. No flush draw. First guy checked I bet $75 , next guy called first guy fold. Now I am thinking maybe he have a K. So now flop came 9. I bet $ 125 he called. Hmm I am confused, maybe two pair for him? So now the river was a 10. So now I checked and he bet $150. I was curious to see so I called. This donk was holding a 78 off suit. And I looked at my pretty Pokects AA and curse the dealer in my mind. So to me some people there to just gamble and you get caught in between!

[Dan Abnormal]

This is the problem Im finding at my card room. Lots of old folks who are blowing their retirement funds so every hand you can expect almost the whole table in so its very hard to limit down to field - NOW GRANTED THIS IS CHUMP CHANGE TO YA'LL since $1/$2 limit tables but it does make for more problems as do I get all super tight or do I lower my opening pocket standards because every level seemes to be played every hand

I gotta give it ya'll, Ya'll have the stomaches to spend money: HERES MY FAVORITE QUOTE FOR YOUR POST

So now I checked and he bet $150. I was curious to see so I called

[XPOKERCHIC]

Ok, he had two pair but who calls a $10 raise with Qc2c? I would understand that argument more if he called $2, I raised from $2 to $5 and he figured it's only $3 more for a possible high flush draw or flush on the flop. And even that argument has flaws in it. However to call a $10 raise, $15 & $25 bets with the worst kicker possible is insane.

Killa

But it was suited! X

[Killa_Kowboyz]

@ Dan...I was in seat 2 (as BB), "Donk" was seat 5, the other player was seat 9.

Seat 9 either had suited connectors or small pair (pp or made pair with 10). Since seat 5 showed Q2 it's doubtful that seat 9 had a Q as well. I didn't put him on AQ b/c he didn't raise preflop. Most ppl will raise there just in case the flop comes out rags. Then they can make a continuation bet on the flop reppin' a big hand, confident that the players who called probably didn't hit anything with that flop.

I didn't put him on 2 pairs (and I was correct in my assessment) b/c he never re-raised me. Q10/Q7 is quite vulnerable to K10, A10, QJ, KQ, AQ. Any of those hands he could've/should've put me on for the way I was betting.

I think I was correct in leading all bets/raises b/c of my read of the table. That river 2s was coming, no matter what I did. The only way for me to have won that pot was to bet in a manner that would've made seat 5 too scared to call to see the turn/river. If I let him lead, with his deuce kicker, he would've checked every opportunity just hoping that his Q would win him that $36 pot...not a bad win for Q2.

FYI, the guy was mid 30's/early 40's, if that means anything.


Killa

[Killa_Kowboyz]

I seen this a lot. On a cash game , people chase till river. To you it's a huge bet, but to him he got top pair , so why not $15. When I was at new Orleans last week playing $2/5 cash game. I had pocket AA, guy before me raised to $75, I called and guy after me called $75. Flop was 6.k.J. No flush draw. First guy checked I bet $75 , next guy called first guy fold. Now I am thinking maybe he have a K. So now flop came 9. I bet $ 125 he called. Hmm I am confused, maybe two pair for him? So now the river was a 10. So now I checked and he bet $150. I was curious to see so I called. This donk was holding a 78 off suit. And I looked at my pretty Pokects AA and curse the dealer in my mind. So to me some people there to just gamble and you get caught in between!

That is so sick but, that's exactly why I stay away from $2/$5 NL games...way too many kamikazes who are looking for a jackpot rather than to play well. At $1/$2 NL games, more people are apt to actually care about their game play and how much money they're risking. When Aces get cracked like that, it's a damn shame.

Killa

[Killa_Kowboyz]

This is the problem Im finding at my card room. Lots of old folks who are blowing their retirement funds so every hand you can expect almost the whole table in so its very hard to limit down to field - NOW GRANTED THIS IS CHUMP CHANGE TO YA'LL since $1/$2 limit tables but it does make for more problems as do I get all super tight or do I lower my opening pocket standards because every level seemes to be played every hand

I gotta give it ya'll, Ya'll have the stomaches to spend money: HERES MY FAVORITE QUOTE FOR YOUR POST

So now I checked and he bet $150. I was curious to see so I called

I would suggest finding another room to play at, seriously. Donks are everywhere but, old folks with little hope are quite hard to scare off.

Killa