IRISH POT O' GOLD MTT and Some NLHE TONIGHT

[Dan Abnormal]

BEAN - Never worry about insulting me, I sometimes give awful descriptions of hands that I want help with and forget important items like my position or stake size, so I was just telling you my position and the other guy was UTG so this was also a perfect example of not FN around OOP as this guy just waiting and pounced.

I was talking to my league about this hand and everyone that I pretend played the hand with all bet post flop since they had 2 pair, some real small and some 3x BB but nobody checked it back to me, so either this guy was very very experienced and knew he could bait me (how in such a short time I dunno) or was willing to not make any money for his boat if I missed my draw.

[beanfacekilla]

I was talking to my league about this hand and everyone that I pretend played the hand with all bet post flop since they had 2 pair, some real small and some 3x BB but nobody checked it back to me, so either this guy was very very experienced and knew he could bait me (how in such a short time I dunno) or was willing to not make any money for his boat if I missed my draw.

I don't know if I'm right, but I think this indicates flat out inexperience in your opponent. IMHO, inexperienced always do this. If they are strong, they act weak. If they are weak (an agressive player, maniac), they act strong. I think a seasoned player would find out, one way or the other, how strong the dude's hand really is.

In a situation such as this, I think it throws off players to bet. If that were me (villain with Q-J), I flopped top two, I would bet 2/3 of the pot on the flop. I would have bet the turn. But I would have only bet 200 on the flop, and probably would have gotten a call. Then I would have bet 300 on turn probably, a value bet. Again I think a player may call to see if they can make their straight. And I would pop it on the river. People always chase straights and flushes if it's cheap enough.

Funny as it seems, when I lead right out with my monsters, I always get action lately. I had Q-Q just the other day on a ring game on bodog. I raised 3x BB and got reraised from the BB. I called, and flopped a set. He leads right out, I min raise him, he calls. Turn he bets again, I raise all in. He insta-calls with K-Q offsuit, he flopped top pair. I raise preflop, he reraises OOP with two painted cards. They never believe me. I made almost $30 on that hand. My actions were an exact indication of my hand strength.

Anyways, I always get sidetracked on my posts. My humble apologies. PEACE.

[Dan Abnormal]

Yea Im with ya on the 2/3 or even less bet to keep him (me in the pot) at least for one more street, But really I got no excuses for popping that 1K in so recklessly that I must of look even less experienced than the other guy. But since I didnt get any info (which was also stupid) I figured we had the same hand or he had trip Jacks. I think PO is right this might the best $65 I could lose cause it has brought up such great discussion that so much to think about.

I know i cant be reckless throwing in bets over 800 the big blind when I could of got the all in push with a 40 or 80 chip push and then maybe something in me might have said WHOA ROB STOP GIVE IT UP. Im sure the more experiecned players are like DUDE THIS ONE WAS EASY FOLD but this type had has given me so much food for thought on your either going to be a great player someday or just be a average player for ever.

ONe dude I played the hand with was like HE CHECKED HERE, and thent he TURN HE CHECKED HERE TOO, WOW and like I keep saying maybe a small bet would of kept me in the pot, but any large bet I would of folded and not chased but I didnt even bother trying to find out and I cant do shit like that

[beanfacekilla]

Poker, same as anything else, is learned through practice. Unfortunately, practice costs money in poker. But it is worth it to me. You are on the right track dude. Patience. Maybe we'll see ya on the boob tube in the WSOP. Hell, maybe you guys will see me on there one day. Wouldn't that be bad ass.... LOL Peace.

[Poker Orifice]

DanAbs, read below the comments I've inserted because 'again' you seem to be failing to see what was up with that hand.... you're putting the onus on 'the other guy'.. instead of taking responsibility for your own play (it's not about how the other did or didn't play it).

BEAN - Never worry about insulting me, I sometimes give awful descriptions of hands that I want help with and forget important items like my position or stake size, so I was just telling you my position and the other guy was UTG so this was also a perfect example of not FN around OOP as this guy just waiting and pounced.
I was talking to my league about this hand and everyone that I pretend played the hand with all bet post flop since they had 2 pair, some real small and some 3x BB but nobody checked it back to me, so either this guy was very very experienced and knew he could bait me (how in such a short time I dunno) or was willing to not make any money for his boat if I missed my draw.

< typically it's ROOKIES you will check & try to slowplay hands that they should in fact be betting with in hopes of building up the pot so that they can then put in bigger bets on later streets (ie. if there's like 300 in the pot. buddy flops a set.. A-8-4 while holding 8-8.. he should start betting to BUILD A POT.... so bet out like 150.. so that on the turn he could put in another bet.. a bigger one. TO BUILD A POT (also referred to sometimes as 'massaging the pot').
It's usually ROOKIES who'll check when they HIT BIG & then 'typically' they don't get paid off enough for their big hands. (I mean in a typical pot where BTN raises.. BB calls.. BB checks.. BTN will often cbet to take it down.. or to rep. something on the flop (or.. they might check behind if they wiffed but have showdown value & dont' want to get check-raised bluffed off the better hand.. < BUT THIS is for later on... forget about it for now).
They'll 'check' for fear of having their opponent fold when they bet out with their big hand... so they just 'check' & hope their opponent catches up.
So.. he didn't really play it bad or good.. he just 'checked'. He chose to check (probably for reason above.... afraid villain would fold).

THe way I see it... he checked.. 'risking losing value'.. but out of fear that you'd fold if he did bet (he didnt' know you well enough... obviously.. )
BUT..it's NOT ABOUT HIM!!!! It's about you & what you chose to do in the hand. And it's been explained many times over now in this thread.
You OVERBET river ( a 'weird' bet imo)..then when villain reshipped it allin.. you snapcalled basically in hopes of chopping at best. The HUGE overbet I believe had you emotionally committed to the pot. (you didn't want him to 'push you off' that 1.000 you put out there.. watchin' it go bye bye & slide on over to his stack... I mean.. "what if he was bluffin'?" but why would he bluff at the start of a tourney? I'm a bit surprised by the size of his shove... but not more than by the size of your bet to begin with. (he was risking 'losing value' if you folded the straight there.. but he should've realized that you were 'good enough' to be able to laydown the straight there in that spot.... errr.. or maybe not?).

Work on looking at 'what you could do differently'.. not "IF he had only bet those 2pr. on that flop I would've/could've folded!!! (< that's likely whey he didn't bet the flop)

[Poker Orifice]

I've got an idea DanAbs... let's punt this Irish Pot 'O Dung to where it belongs now... 'on the rails'! I'm thinking how about instead we meet over in the HandAnalysis section of the forum & title the threads.. something like "DanAbs playin' the pokerzz" & then post a HH there & we'll each come & comment on it. I could post a few in there if you want to help get it started? (from 4king games or other games). Will include diff. stuff.. some will be 'tricky spots', 'trouble hands', 'getting max. value', 'avoiding traps', 'working on proper bet-sizing', 'Is this a shove here?', etc. etc. Meet you over there ok?

(note: nothin' against the Irish meant here in this post... I'm 3rd generation Canadian but mostly Irish descent )