IRISH POT O' GOLD MTT and Some NLHE TONIGHT

[Dan Abnormal]

HItting a pretty big MTT and should be pretty big field. $65 buy in + options for more chips and they say tonight that everyone is a winner, so I guess you get to draw for prizes if you bust out. I JUST WANT TO SURVIVE and make it close to end. Try to keep stupid mistakes to a minimum and KEEP MY MOUTH CLOSED!!!!. Im tempted to wear a doctors smock to cover my nose and mouth. Its been a little over a month since my last live MTT so this should be big time fun.

AND AS USUAL TO WARM UP I will be playing some NLHE, I want to thank Pirates, Beanface and of course PO and the others for the NL advice as Im gonna to give it a second shot. I wont be as rolled as Beanface thinks I should be but I will have $150 to take a shot with and that is more than the $60 I had last time and it will be $1/$2 no limit. IM never going to get any good at it, if I keep running scared over to the limit tables. AND I SAY TO MYSELF THERE IS NO REASON I SHOULD BE RUNNING AWAY, I HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A CLUE OF WHAT I NEED TO DO.

Well I will update this thread hopefully LATE LATE LATE TONIGHT as the MTT doesnt start till 8pm and I will play some NL from 6-7:30 IF I LAST THAT LONG LOL,, HELL YEA ILL LAST THAT LONG

[beanfacekilla]

Hey man good luck and all that. I hope you win the whole thing. Drop in and tell us how it went. Peace.

[Dan Abnormal]

I guess at some point it finally hits you that you suck so bad that you have no business even trying to play this game casue you just turn to an embarassament, a pussy and a joke. AND BINGO I hit all 3 tonight

The NLHE side was just a joke, I dont know how long you wait for cards when all your being delt are 93 72 5T and so on 2 hours of nothing, I had one had that I had to play as bb 67s hit 67 on flop decided to check and of course the board set up a nice straight for someone to lay in a $54 so I folded and that was the big action on the HLHE TOTAL LOSS $58 for 2 hours of play so you can see no action at all. It wasnt so much of opening my range, it was tryng to get a range, would yall drop $12 to with k5o to see the flop, well I wouldnt


OK NOW UTTER DESTRUCTION I MEAN UTTER DESTRUCTION IN THE MTT. to the point that maybe playing in a free league is really strarting to dull my senses so bad that IM JUST A STUPID FN IDIOT

OK LET ME LAY THIS OUT FOR EVERYONE AND THEN EVERYONE LET ME KNOW IF IM BEING TOO HARD ON MYSELF - NOT HARD ENOUGH - OR I HAD TO PLAY IT - OR JUST SLAM THE HELL OUT OF ME, (CAUSE IM DEPRESSED AS SHIT RIGHT NOW)

VERY EARLY IN THE MTT I MEAN 2nd LEVEL

IM BB TKo verses UTG ONLY

FLOP J8Q (IM open ended and liking it just need a 9 or A)
I CHECK RIGHT HERE
UTG- CHECKS

TURN J (I CHECK and SO DOES UTG)

FLOP A (AWESOME IM IN STRAIGHT TO ACE so I bet 1K chip into 300 chip pot)

I GUESS I SUCK SO BAD AT READING OR GOT SO BLINDED BUT IM OUT and

DOES ANYONE CARE TO WRITE THE REST OF SCENERIO BUT I GOT BUSTED OUT HERE) (oh yea my prize was $5 cash for getting knocked out BUT FUCK THIS WAS AN UTTER EMBARASSMENT I might feel better if someone cant figure out the scenerio and if you asked me what I was thinking, this was going to be a spit pot)

[Dan Abnormal]

OK I played this hand over and over with the wife last night and tried to figured out did I have any saving grace

(OH BTW IM sure everyone knows, except me of course he was playing a QJ to give him a boat and sailed me out of the tourny very quick, lesson learned when a pair is on the board, I should of just not even bet the 1K on the river when I hit and maybe Id saved this mess)
the red flag was his all in on when I bet 1K on the river and I guess my straight (WISH THAT ACE WOULD OF NEVER FALLEN) but I had it my mind we had the same hand and were going to split the pot.

JUst one stupid bet by this dude somewhere before the river and I would have folded

Now I wonder if this guy even had me on a straight or just Ace rag something, As I went through this hand, if this guy would of bet just one time I would of folded. HE had top 2 pairs on the flop and checked to me for the a free turn card. HE was made on the turn with a full house J and Checked to me again and then I thought I was made on the river when I made my ace high straight. I bet 1K into the pot and he pushed all in and I called. Guess they guy totally put off the idea of me having pocket Queens or Aces but it was so early in the MTT that neither of us saw how either of us played.

Imade so many scenerios last night and just say the turn wasnt a J or Q and he was sitting with 2 pair and an ace hit the river and I bet one 1K , I wonder if he would of put me on just a pair of aces and still bet heavy into me.

As I re-did the hand it was such a perfect example of being f'd OOP. HE just let me lead the whole thing knowing that no matter what I bet, he would take and any extra would be icing and I GAVE HIM LOTS OF ICING.

I tried to re-do the hand and just say I was made on the flop, the outcome I feel still would of been the same say it was

ME = KT (BB) UTG= JQ

FLOP JQA (MADE STRAIGHT HERE INSTEAD) I probably would of still checked but regardless of what I did

TURN = J and IM F'D either way

I know youre dying to ask me, didnt the jacks ont he board scare you at all, and my naive answer was no, I thought we had the same hand, we checked all the way to river and when I bet 1K i thought he was trying to push me off my bet (and I didnt want to get a quick rep being abled to be bullied) and if we werent tied I really thought I was in better than him (really wish this fuck wouldnt of been so greedy and just called my 1K but I guess if youre gonna make it deep you gotta be ruthless)

Just a situation where next tiem Im going to have think a little bit harder and cause I should of realized JQ wasnt out of the realm for the UTG player

ANd believe it or not, IM NOT A DICKHEAD LIVE, I always tell the table I enjoyed playing with them and the ass that knocked me out stood up shook my hand, I told him very nice hand and I walked away, wishing nothing but the very WORSE on that dude. LOL

LESSON LEARNED I HOPE

[Dan Abnormal]

WELL WHEre to go from here, SAT a $35 buy in MTT AND IM GOING TO SAVE SOME FACE, not the same faces, but my own, this whole day just let me know that my game is getting duller not sharper and I cant let that happen

SAME DEAL on the NLHE front, while I didnt lose even 1BI I sat down ready to play, I felt like I ready to take chances and when the first 10-15 hands where such crappy hands, I mean NO flush opps, or real low flush opps with no straight opps so basically id be playing in hoping ot hit my one high card and then what hope my poor kicker would hold up the load.. I went through 3 different dealers before hitting one semi playable hand 67s and the flop hit my 67 and since this isnt online and the cards arent going to change, Iprobably should of bet big but checked and thenext card laid a perfect straight scenerio for the dude to push $54 into a a pot under $10 and that was enough to tell me he had the 5 and that was my day

I LEARNED FIRST HAND MANY TIMES WHAT A REGULAR STRADDLE WAS and I really dont understand why they even allow that, if people want bigger blinds, go to bigger stake tables. I also learned the CHOP as I agree to chop a blind and the other dude said no, HE hit ont he flop bet $10 I laid it down and someone at the table tells the dude, hope that was worth the $1 you made and then goes OH YEA, you didnt even make a dollar casue of the rake and the tip, it just made me laugh, cause really he lost a about .30 in the deal

[beanfacekilla]

I LEARNED FIRST HAND MANY TIMES WHAT A REGULAR STRADDLE WAS and I really dont understand why they even allow that, if people want bigger blinds, go to bigger stake tables. I also learned the CHOP as I agree to chop a blind and the other dude said no, HE hit ont he flop bet $10 I laid it down and someone at the table tells the dude, hope that was worth the $1 you made and then goes OH YEA, you didnt even make a dollar casue of the rake and the tip, it just made me laugh, cause really he lost a about .30 in the deal

Yup. This is why I always chop. Funny that someone else at the table was talking trash to the guy.

As for the tourney with that str8 that led to your demise: You always have to be thinking. Just think, if someone flops top two, they will usually check call anything, and pop it on the river. He flops top two, slow plays. Then he turns a boat. You said you would have folded if he had made a bet. That's why he didn't bet, he wanted you to catch up to him so he could get paid off. After a while of poker playing, you'll start seeing the way people play, and you will be able to read them pretty well. You learn from your mistakes. Keep at it, practice makes perfect. But one tip I think will help you is this: People act strong when they are weak, and weak when they are strong. If it looks like they are trying to get you to fold, they probably are, and they are bluffing with less than TPTK. Cause really, if you have a huge hand, do you want your opponent to fold? Also, try probe betting a bit more. People can't resist raising a probe bet alot of times. It can help determine how strong your opponent's hand is.

Remember, I am not an expert, and this is my opinon. I hope something I say helps you. Peace.

[Dan Abnormal]

THanks BEANFACE - I went and talked to two of my live experts (one usually never misses the final the table ) and the other usual gets int he money and out of 230 people THe better dude made 5th and my buddy made 17th so I went and talk to him. I laid out the hand and before I could say anything he was raising me 250 chips on the flop, so He was a little shocked when I told him the the dude just called me all the way. When he saw the ace on the river he know that was bad news for me. HE questioned why the guy wouldnt of tried to get something out me as if Missed the river, his boat would of made him nothing,

THe other guy saw it more your way beanface, (COMPLIMENT) that he didnt care what I put in the pot he was IP and was gonna take and take more.

The other dude thoguht maybe if I dint pop 1K into pot maybe 300-500 maybe he would of called but I dont think so just cause this is such a great lesson for me in why POSITION POSITION.

YEA its a lesson learned the hard way but as long as I learned the lesson I guess it was worth it, just hurt my pride somewhat last night to go out so early

I still can help but wonder, if the jack didit hit the turn, would he had put me on a straight or just ace rag and would he bet me so hard,

[Dan Abnormal]

OK everyone has seen the hand now what I Need to know,

Ihave been told by many people online is non stop spinning so did I have a better chance of winnign this hand online than live, and Give me a good explanation that odds are the same cause if I waited 10 more seconds online the turn mst likely wouldnt of been a jack so explain to me how the odds are the same. if the turn was a 4 I might have a great story today


BUT FUCK TOMOrrow IM IN for a 35 BUY MTT plus some more NLHE and I GOTTA GET MY SHIT STRAIGHT andnot this online well 5 seconds ago you would of won but 8 seconds you lost, YEA WILL SOMEONE EXPLAIN HOW THIS DOENST CHANGE THE ODDS I JUST LAID DOWN A BEAT that could of been changed by time and time doesnt change cards live GOOD LUCK

[Poker Orifice]

I only read up to where you called yourself a f'n idiot (didn't read the two posts after that, .. just glanced at it but was seeing you were re-hashing the hand over).

One big question... why are we 'over-betting' the river here.. over 3xPot? What worse hand will 'ever' call us here when we bet like this? All a bet like this does/accomplishes is > it folds out all the hands we could potentially get value from & only gets called(or obv. raised in this case) by hands that beat us. By over-betting pot on the river & then getting re-raised we put ourself in a bad spot. (not sure if they raised.. & then we again reraised allin? < which would be real bad obv.).
With the board paired.. 'if' I figure I'm not going to get value on the river when I bet it with my straight (ie. villain isn't going to call unless they have decent).. I might just check to induce a bluff from them.. 'but' if I think I can have a value bet called.. I will be around 3/4pot. If my 3/4pot bet gets raised here.... I have to think, "Whoa!!" wtf could they have that would fit their line throughout the hand? (which was just checking in this particular hand).... but I might consider > perhaps they checked cuz they didn't want to lose me on the turn for fear I'd fold?)
I'd bet 2/3 to 3/4 pot on the river.. & if their raise was too big I'd fold.

[Poker Orifice]

OK I played this hand over and over with the wife last night and tried to figured out did I have any saving grace

(OH BTW IM sure everyone knows, except me of course he was playing a QJ to give him a boat and sailed me out of the tourny very quick, lesson learned when a pair is on the board, I should of just not even bet the 1K on the river when I hit and maybe Id saved this mess)
the red flag was his all in on when I bet 1K on the river and I guess my straight (WISH THAT ACE WOULD OF NEVER FALLEN) but I had it my mind we had the same hand and were going to split the pot.

JUst one stupid bet by this dude somewhere before the river and I would have folded
Try not to put the onus of blame on him...
Now I wonder if this guy even had me on a straight or just Ace rag something, As I went through this hand, if this guy would of bet just one time I would of folded. HE had top 2 pairs on the flop and checked to me for the a free turn card. HE was made on the turn with a full house J and Checked to me again and then I thought I was made on the river when I made my ace high straight. I bet 1K into the pot and he pushed all in and I called. Guess they guy totally put off the idea of me having pocket Queens or Aces but it was so early in the MTT that neither of us saw how either of us played.
You likely would've 3bet preflop w AA or QQ.. so it'd be reallyyyy hard for him to put you on that..AND.. doubt you'd bet 3x pot on the river either. (for fear of losing value).
Imade so many scenerios last night and just say the turn wasnt a J or Q and he was sitting with 2 pair and an ace hit the river and I bet one 1K , I wonder if he would of put me on just a pair of aces and still bet heavy into me.
His shove (not sure how deep you were?).. must've made it clear that he figured you had a big hand too.... although.. alot of rookies will just auto shove allin on the river (like he did) without thinking about what your hand is.. & if they'd be losing value by doing so & if a smaller reraise might be better in that spot
As I re-did the hand it was such a perfect example of being f'd OOP. HE just let me lead the whole thing knowing that no matter what I bet, he would take and any extra would be icing and I GAVE HIM LOTS OF ICING.

I tried to re-do the hand and just say I was made on the flop, the outcome I feel still would of been the same say it was

ME = KT (BB) UTG= JQ

FLOP JQA (MADE STRAIGHT HERE INSTEAD) I probably would of still checked but regardless of what I did

TURN = J and IM F'D either way

I know youre dying to ask me, didnt the jacks ont he board scare you at all, and my naive answer was no, I thought we had the same hand, we checked all the way to river and when I bet 1K i thought he was trying to push me off my bet (and I didnt want to get a quick rep being abled to be bullied) and if we werent tied I really thought I was in better than him (really wish this fuck wouldnt of been so greedy and just called my 1K but I guess if youre gonna make it deep you gotta be ruthless)

Just a situation where next tiem Im going to have think a little bit harder and cause I should of realized JQ wasnt out of the realm for the UTG player

ANd believe it or not, IM NOT A DICKHEAD LIVE, I always tell the table I enjoyed playing with them and the ass that knocked me out stood up shook my hand, I told him very nice hand and I walked away, wishing nothing but the very WORSE on that dude. LOL

LESSON LEARNED I HOPE

will post more later.. I'm in the 4king carbon game atm ... bored & reading the forum at same time