Gun Fight at the OK Corral: POT LIMIT CASH HOLDEM

[GypsyTea]

Gun Fight at the OK Corral – Live Pot Limit Holdem A True survival guide by Gypsy Tea.

Around the UK casinos and card clubs you can always find some sort of live cash pot limit game.

The most dangerous form of poker for your wallet, trust Me, and because its usually some sort of “on the fly” game formed during a tournament with expelled tournament players, most players I have seen, are ill prepared for the murderous carnage of the full assault minimum buy-in £25 Pot Limit Cash Game.

Most Professional Poker Players tend to view this type of game with a relish of “Its Friday Its Pay Day” I be Loose Hyper Aggressive, and have 5K in My pocket just in case some FOOL can play poker. YOU LOT THINK I AM JOKING!

No I am Not, what the Gypsy tells this forum is to STOP you wallets getting picked on Market Day, and everything I tell you Guys is from Experience and with Brotherly Love.

Now what every your starting hand IS, I am telling you somebody is going to call you to the turn, no matter what you have, what they think you have, or for that matter what THEY have in their starting hand! Now STOP and think about this:

Write down what I said and LOOK at it!

Now add some NUTTER with a few grand in cash in their pocket, and contemplate HOW MUCH YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE TO THIS GAME?

£25? £50? £100? I read somewhere that pot limit is the TEST cricket of poker, where No Limit is the Crash Bang Wallop,

Well if they had added “Tournament” to any part of that I would tend to agree, but cash, it’s a Matter of How Much you have with you to buy the Game!

ITS THE GUN FIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL of POKER

Most seasoned Pro’s know this, and if you are going to play PLHD cash, you better switch on to this fact Quick Babe or you’re going home after being up a little without your rent money.

I recommend the following as a minimum of:-
Min Buy-in £25 I think you need a minimum game roll of £500 (you put 100 down on the table) = a factor of 1:20, so the rest you can work out yourselves.

Starting hands.
Well I like good poker at any level and I think basically if you are tight/passive/passive, and let other people bet for you, you have a better chance of weathering the storm, bearing in mind it’s hard to push players of pots, you may be able to do it on the turn or river with a large pot size bet, but generally I see people calling with 2 pairs vast amounts without the mathematics for the call.

I also strongly believe, if you’re going to bet a draw make sure it’s the NUT DRAW!

My personal favourite starting hands in pot limit holdem are AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AKs, AQs, AJs, I may play TJs, 9Ts, 99, 88 78s 65s, out of my blinds, but most of the time you can only put me on one of those hands.

I can wait for a hand in PLHD, I will be there for 7ish hours and I might as well relax and enjoy looking and analyzing, just how bad people play poker. GRINDING is the ONLY WAY TO Play the game!

I actually prefer Pot Limit Omaha if I have a choice in the matter, but that’s Me for you.

Please feel free to add anything to the conversation, Play Well and Good Luck.

The Gypsy

[TheLawyer]

A very good Article.

[GypsyTea]

Originally Posted by TheLawyer

A very good Article.

Glad You enjoyed it lawyer, Pot Limit is the PURIST FORM of Cards.

A ture test of knowledge and skill, AA may be the best starting pocket, but seldom ends up the best hand, a ture SHARKS game.

GT

[GypsyTea]

Pot Limit Holdem, Live, min buy-in £25, Heros Chips= £110.00, Villain Chips £500.00

Table Subs = £6.00 per hour per Player £36.00 just been collected.

£2/£2 Live Grosvenor Casino Poker Room

Player 1 SB ? ? £2

Player 2 BB ? ? £2

POT £4.00

Hero AA Bets £2+£6 =POT= £12.00

Villain TJ Calls £12.00

Player 5 Folds

Player 6 Folds

Player 1 Folds

Player 2 Folds

POT £24.00

Flop = A 9 Q

Hero Bets £24.00

Question:- 1/ Did the Hero make the right or the wrong move, post flop?

2/ What should the Villain's next Move be?

3/ How Many Outs does the Villain Have ?

GT

[derringer007]

I say there are 13 outs, (9 for the flush & 4 for the Ace high straight) Now is this a situation where the obvious is the wrong answer??? I say the hero made the correct move post flop with trip Aces. The villain has good amount of outs to make the flush & straight. I say he will raise to force the hero's hand.

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

Originally Posted by GypsyTea

Question:- 1/ Did the Hero make the right or the wrong move, post flop?

Right bet shutting down the odds for draws, is that right against a player with big chip stack? Would an overbet be called? Would the opponent check if you did? Do you have him on a draw or a lesser set?If called that leaves him virtually pot committed on turn no matter what card comes.

2/ What should the Villain's next Move be?

Call. Hit your hand you're getting chips.

3/ How Many Outs does the Villain Have ?

14

[GypsyTea]

Originally Posted by GypsyTea

Pot Limit Holdem, Live, min buy-in £25, Heros Chips= £110.00, Villain Chips £500.00

Table Subs = £6.00 per hour per Player £36.00 just been collected.

£2/£2 Live Grosvenor Casino Poker Room

Player 1 SB ? ? £2

Player 2 BB ? ? £2

POT £4.00

Hero AA Bets £2+£6 =POT= £12.00

Villain TJ Calls £12.00

Player 5 Folds

Player 6 Folds

Player 1 Folds

Player 2 Folds

POT £24.00

Flop = A 9 Q

Hero Bets £24.00

Question:- 1/ Did the Hero make the right or the wrong move, post flop?

2/ What should the Villain's next Move be?

3/ How Many Outs does the Villain Have ?

GT

POT =£48.00
2Call =£24.00 2 to 1 on My Money
AA v TJ

77% V 23%

F=A9Q

62% V 37%

Villian Outs = 4x8's 4xK's = 8 + 9 cards for the Flush= 17 outs 37 cards left > nearly half the remaining pack to hit.

So if I was the villian I have £488.00 and the Hero has £74.00, I as the villian have a Pot of £48>£24 to call, I am thinking am I going to Pot Raise £+24+£72?, leaving the hero £2.00 which I going to go £2.00 on the Turn card even if the Hero dosn't raise allin.

My Chances 63% v37% If I lose I lost 1/5th of my chips for a 2to1 shot at a pot of £148 which I have put £110.00.
Working on the assumption that the Hero is going to Pot Raise on the turn and Bet on the River....

For Me the Villian's move should be FOLD !

While I was writing this I ran a trial of the hand on DD2 Tournament Poker the out come was:- Over 10,000,000 :-

AA win 59.70%
Tie 0%
Lose 40%

TJs win 40%
Tie 0%
Lose 59.70%

On a different programme I use over 10,000,000:-

AA = 67%
TJs = 33%

+ the Hero has the re-draw for the full house.....Its a Fold

Regards

Gypsy

ps. Not sure if that makes any sense to any one bar me, get back to me if I got it wrong........

[wicked663]

Wow...this is why I do not play cash games. I would not of called pre flop with J 10 but post flop with draws on the board and alot of cash as cushion I think I would see it till the end. I have heard in live games of putting the smaller stack "all in" and then when the hole cards are revealed making a deal to slpit pot regardless of what comes. Have you seen this happen? Would the possibility of deal making change your play?

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

[quote=GypsyTea;39422]

Villian Outs = 4x8's 4xK's = 8 + 9 cards for the Flush= 17 outs 37 cards left > nearly half the remaining pack to hit.

{\QUOTE]

Yes 17 with draws, but you are counting the 8 and K twice. You also forgot to discount the queen as it gives you a dead hand bar a backdoor royal. My count 14

14 outs with 2 to come roughly 55-60% chance

14 outs with 1 to come roughly 28-30 % chance

I never play pot limit. Is it like limit where you mainly thinking one street ahead?

Make either the straight or the flush (!Q) and you're on the better side of 75-25%

I'll still go with the call,You can read the house and I wanna bust his trips and send him on tilt and get some more hero chips

[GypsyTea]

[quote=NUCKING_FUTS_4;39429]

Originally Posted by GypsyTea

Villian Outs = 4x8's 4xK's = 8 + 9 cards for the Flush= 17 outs 37 cards left > nearly half the remaining pack to hit.

{\QUOTE]

Yes 17 with draws, but you are counting the 8 and K twice. You also forgot to discount the queen as it gives you a dead hand bar a backdoor royal. My count 14

14 outs with 2 to come roughly 55-60% chance

14 outs with 1 to come roughly 28-30 % chance

I never play pot limit. Is it like limit where you mainly thinking one street ahead?

Make either the straight or the flush (!Q) and you're on the better side of 75-25%

I'll still go with the call,You can read the house and I wanna bust his trips and send him on tilt and get some more hero chips

Yep your right I am sorry

GT