Some MTT HH's for discussion

[Poker Orifice]

Just thought I'd open up a thread here: Some nlhe Tournament HandHistories for discussion (or thought).
Will try to pick a couple/few from tournaments I'm playing online tomorrow. If I don't come across any particularly interesting (or mildly interesting) hands, I'll search for a few from the past week or so & will post them on here.

[Washerwoman]

That's a great idea, PO!!

I've got some of my grandmother's old crocheting pattern histories from the 1890s I simply must let you in on

[Dan Abnormal]

OK I got one for everyone and need some help how to reasonably figure out that Im already beat.

The other night in my league I feel I played a hand very stupid but Ill explain my reasoning. I hit top 2 pair OOP on a very straight scary board and tried to push everyone out with an all in bet, trouble is the only person to stay in the pot already hit the straight. Basically I was UTG+1 and had appox 2.5K stack and the other person in the pot was late position and had my all in bet covered by at least 1K extra in chips

ME JQo vs K9o First problem might be I limped into pot and had a few callers

FLOP TJQ SO I hit top 2 pair but the straight is lurking and maybe I should of just laid this down. but instead I wanted to fold anyone who was trying to catch a straight so I pushed all in.

OK Turn and river (BOTH LOW CARDS) no help so I was busted out to a straight.

SO POST FLOP should I have betted like 1/2 or 1/3 or less of my stack but if I got called Id probably left more people chasing to catch the next card.

Say I bet less (HOW MUCH is a good bet here) if I bet 500 or 1K and got called I dont know if Id be sure if this person was chasing or made. I guess a second bet on the turn would of let me know they werent leaving the pot. But 500 bet seems way to cheap and would keep them in the pot. and bets of 1K or more, would have me pretty much drained on a turn bet.

BASICALLY NEED SOME ADVICE HOW I WOULD KNOW THIS PERSON ALREADY HIT THE STRAIGHT too low a bet I would think she was chasing, too high of a bet Id be committed or very shortstacked, So i just said Im pushing all in which I was hoping would fold everyone and plus I still had 4 outs to hit a boat with 2 cards left.

I guess being OOP I should of just checked and seen what they would do. AND IS THIS THINKING RIGHT if I would of checked and she would of pushed hard. I would assume she was chasing and if she bet small I would assume that I better fold now. I hope this hand is a little tricky for answers and not just cut and dry (HEY ROB FOLD DUMMY)

[Poker Orifice]

OK I got one for everyone and need some help how to reasonably figure out that Im already beat.

The other night in my league I feel I played a hand very stupid but Ill explain my reasoning. I hit top 2 pair OOP on a very straight scary board and tried to push everyone out with an all in bet, Two things to say to this > our reasoning behind betting isn't to 'push everyone off their hand'.. it's to charge an amount where it'd be a mistake for villain to be calling (not giving them the right odds). I see quite a few players make these huge Overbets on flops, when in all likelihood they're only going to be called by hands that have them crushed... "&" the hands we 'could've' gotten value from we make fold!! This is contrary to what we want obviously. trouble is the only person to stay in the pot already hit the straight. Basically I was UTG+1 and had appox 2.5K stack and the other person in the pot was late position and had my all in bet covered by at least 1K extra in chips

ME JQo vs K9o First problem might be I limped into pot and had a few callers
Here ^ is your answer right here ^ You were UTG+1 & had a 'pretty-lookin' hand "with pictures on d'em" & chose to limp into the pot. Here's where you NEED to make a decision > RAISE or FOLD! (if you have a tight/passive table.. RAISE... if you have an aggress. table (or a ton of calling stations).. "FOLD" {if it's early levels, your answer here will 99% of the time be "FOLD"
When playing NLHE we want to do our best to avoid getting into spots where we're not sure where we're at in the hand, especially while out of position. In this hand here, had you only flopped say TopPr., decent kicker... then what? Bet flop but fold to a raise? pfff.. what a f'n waste of chips!!! Bet flop.. get one or two callers... turn comes a seemingly 'blank'.. then what? check/fold?? check/call??? fire again?? Who knows? Exactly! And this is the very type of situations you want to avoid putting yourself in while playing NLHE tournaments.
FLOP TJQ SO I hit top 2 pair but the straight is lurking and maybe I should of just laid this down. but instead I wanted to fold anyone who was trying to catch a straight so I pushed all in.

OK Turn and river (BOTH LOW CARDS) no help so I was busted out to a straight.

SO POST FLOP should I have betted like 1/2 or 1/3 or less of my stack but if I got called Id probably left more people chasing to catch the next card.
"IT depends" (on too many factors for me to write about it all here). I'm probably going to be betting out ~3/4 - 4/5 pot to protect my hand on a wetboard like that. If they re-raise me I will be faced with a difficult decision (but if I just f'n folded pre... I wouldn't now be stuck playin' a pot out of position... would I?)
Say I bet less (HOW MUCH is a good bet here) if I bet 500 or 1K and got called I dont know if Id be sure if this person was chasing or made. I guess a second bet on the turn would of let me know they werent leaving the pot. But 500 bet seems way to cheap and would keep them in the pot. and bets of 1K or more, would have me pretty much drained on a turn bet.
Saying, "bet 500",... "bet 1K" means nothing unless we know what the effective stack sizes are & the size of the blinds (It makes ALL the difference in the world!!!!).
BASICALLY NEED SOME ADVICE HOW I WOULD KNOW THIS PERSON ALREADY HIT THE STRAIGHT < you 'basically' won't unless you're the amazing Kreskin mind-reader or have a ton of history vs. them. I mean really... who in their right mind plays K9? (they do obviously, lol) too low a bet I would think she was chasing, too high of a bet Id be committed or very shortstacked, So i just said Im pushing all in which I was hoping would fold everyone and plus I still had 4 outs to hit a boat with 2 cards left.
Why are we wanting to make HUGE overbets in hopes that everyone folds? (why do we aim to make min. value on a big hand?)
I guess being OOP I should of just checked and seen what they would do. AND IS THIS THINKING RIGHT if I would of checked and she would of pushed hard.< why would she 'push hard' when she's holding the NUTS? You could consider 'check-raising' but again 'it depends'.. it depends on how deep the stacks are & 'player reads' (will someone actually bet if &/or when we check? Do the players on your table bet with big draws? Do they bet with any draws? Do players in LP bet when everyone's checked it to them (regardless if they're strong or not?). I would assume she was chasing and if she bet small < I can never understand how folks suggest that this is 'chasing' (how is it 'chasing' if they're leading out on a flop.. even if it is with a draw... it's a semi-bluff with in all likelihood some decent equity )I would assume that I better fold now. I hope this hand is a little tricky for answers and not just cut and dry (HEY ROB FOLD DUMMY)

Here's my answer: Fold pre!

[Poker Orifice]

That's a great idea, PO!!

I've got some of my grandmother's old crocheting pattern histories from the 1890s I simply must let you in on

What? .. huh??

[Dan Abnormal]

Very poetic there PO, but I love this advice

it's to charge an amount where it'd be a mistake for villain to be calling (not giving them the right odds). I see quite a few players make these huge Overbets on flops, when in all likelihood they're only going to be called by hands that have them crushed... "&" the hands we 'could've' gotten value from we make fold!

This stuff is really tricky

OK few thoughts Id like to throw on ya

If Im on a drawing hand (connectors and/or suited dont know if Im saying that right) Espcially on straights many people have said I want more people in the pot so is limping that bad of a move as I want to get some callers and Im not sure what the logic is to keeping more players in if Im trying to draw to a straight but it just what Ive read and been told a few times

In a late postion is K9 really that bad of a hand to bet with. I know if the king hits then the kicker will probably be a problem, but if the 9 hits (and preferably no over cards LOL) the kicker shouldnt be a problem but maybe my thinking here is all out of wack

As far as my hand I posted, you asked if I had only hit one pair, and had the same board, Id be folded. Unless of course I got some free cards but still then that might cause a problem since the Turn and river did nothing to help the TJQ on the board. I might be tempted to bet small on the turn to see but DANG Same problem I dont know if I would know if they are made or just staying in the pot cause its cheap.

Alright well Ill post anymore trouble hands I run into, Is there a way to get a txt version of carbon hand history as opposed to the graphical disaster they give you