omaha hilo and the guy that called me an idiot

[dobedo789]

ok so i get in a pot headsup. im short stacked and force two others to fold with a preflop bet. it is limit so with ace 2 suited and two other blank cards im limited with what i can do post flop. two low cards show that arent an ace or a 2 so i bet to see if i can get the other guy out. i bet the turn and the river comes a blank so i fire away again. he then calls with a pair and calls me an idiot. im an idiot for betting with half the deck as an out? or bluffing the river when he only has a pair. tell me what i did wrong.... i played tight in omaha. i played the same amount of hands as i do in holdem.

[jeffsbabe]

I don't see that you did anything wrong. Kinda wonder why he stayed in as long as he did with only a pair. Don't ya just love people that think they know how to play better than you? They are ususally the ones losing!

Good Luck at the tables!

[Zach]

Honestly - I see plenty you did wrong.

Not knowing what kind of draws the other guy had, stack size, etc ... hard to say if he was an idiot himself or not.


I make the rather big mistakes you made ... all the damn time.. unfortunantly.

Not even going to look at stack size ... really not material in limit, either you have the hand or not - nobody can boss others around by putting out a bet that takes you all in (unless you are on life support) ... so stack size is not all that important on a hand by hand case (if anything - in limit - you should be playing way tighter with a short stack)

• You have A2 suited.
• You bet and chase out 2 players.
• You are left with one player in.
• You keep betting based on a low draw, hoping to push the other player out.
• You miss, end with nothing for the high, and low is not possible.

My observations.

You have two decent chances to pull something out of this hand. An Ace high flush (with no pair on board), or A2 low.

I love both chances. Great to play that, we all wish for more obviously - but you have two possible nut hands.

... so why would you chase people out?

The number of people in the pot does not change the odds of you getting a flush or an A2 low. If either hits - you have the nuts. You want as many people throwing chips into the pot as possible either way.


Post Flop

You are heads up. You have a low draw... and of course the remote possibility that you get trips or two pair with the turn river (not sure if you had a backdoor flush possibility)

The best you can honestly hope for at this point is the low. The odds are the other guy is not going to fold. If he has any sort of stack, and anything at all for cards - he shouldn't fold.

... so you are betting with the hope that you can just get your bet back - nothing more.

Where I come from ... thats called throwing chips away. Sometimes you will actually get your bet back, sometimes - you will not... so why on earth would you throw chips into the pot when the best case (likely) scenerio is you get what you threw in back, and worst case (likely) scenerio is that you get back nothing (or the low hits, and you push ... and you get back half of what you threw in)

You can not play limit with any sort of thoughts of how you play no limit. In no limit calling a small post flop bet can be stupid because the raiser can come back and bet you all in on the turn - meaning you just threw away that post flop call. That can not happen in limit. You can only push so hard - and if the person you are pushing against has enough of a stack to not even notice ......










Side Note: I always want at least 4 people in the pot when I am going for a low. If you end up with 2357 on board, and someone else has A5 - you push the low, split it - which with 4 people allows you to still break even on it.

[Zach]

Just to add.

If you are heads up in Omaha Hi/Lo - you should almost always not be raising based on a high ... unless you have a nut high (after the board is set - never before) ... or you honestly believe (not wishful thinking, not maybe, not might, not I hope, not I can, not please, etc) you are going to win both the high and the low.

You should absolutely never raise in Omaha Hi/Lo when you are heads up and the only thing you have a chance in hell at is the low.

I do not care if its limit or no limit in this case ... if you are raising with only a low in Omaha Hi/Lo - even a nut low - heads up (or even two others) - you will over the course of time always come out behind. Impossible for it to work any other way.

[rgchan]

I do not understand the logic of DUMB players with an ACE-2-3 raising POT Limit and chasing out the antes ?? You probably are only looking at 1/2 the pot or could get Quartered. So you want as many players as possible to put their money in the middle. I see players who as soon as they get ACE -2 start raising. Why chase away money ??

[pothole]

There is some logic to raising with A23 though I rarely do it. 1/ holding A2 is the ONLY hand you can raise with in h/l as ANY 3 cards between 3 and 8 gives you the nuts. 2/ holding A2 means you are fav for low only so the logic in raising is to push out players going for the high hand meaning you have a better chance at taking the whole pot as opposed to 1/2 . ALL pro articles I have read on this subject advise raising pre flop with A2 be it limit or pot limit.

[jctm1988]

Well dont be pissed he lost his money for sure , like others say, you had big draw true, but if ya miss , checking wouldnt be bad at the end . cause he is surely going to call the min bet at the end , and that he berated your game is stupid , since his hand wasent that superior .


Dont get bitter get better

[kesza]

very good, interesting replies. Yes, I make those mistakes often too. But ok, so then what hand do you raise preflop in limit? and when to raise after the flop?

[RollWithIt656]

I've done quite well at Omaha on PKR, although, my strategy is, to play my blind and call with pairs only, its pointless raising so early in the game, that, I can't understand... realistically, you have to play your own game and be prepared to lay hands down like trips, if its going to be cheap, them call, theres anyways the chance of hitting a Full House, but, some people actually think a pair is a monster hand, I've seen it, in my eyes, even two pairs isn't wroth calling a bet on the river, again, how cheap is it going to be, if anyone raises, you know your up again A-A, K-K, call with those 4-6-9-8 hands, I love those little hands!!

[luzipher]

Originally Posted by pothole

There is some logic to raising with A23 though I rarely do it. 1/ holding A2 is the ONLY hand you can raise with in h/l as ANY 3 cards between 3 and 8 gives you the nuts. 2/ holding A2 means you are fav for low only so the logic in raising is to push out players going for the high hand meaning you have a better chance at taking the whole pot as opposed to 1/2 . ALL pro articles I have read on this subject advise raising pre flop with A2 be it limit or pot limit.

I think this is a mistake that many people have. A2 with a flop with ANY 3 cards between 3 and 8 don't give you the LO nuts. You have a good % to win, but you still can lose if an A or a 2 appears in turn/river, so taken care of in believing that you have won the LO pot