Omaha (HI or HL) counting system

[luzipher]

I want to know if someone here is using any system to evaluate a starting hand, and using this info to fold, check or raise preflop.

Personally I play in an "artisan way", and surely I'm still playing hands that I do not have to play, but Omaha is my favorite game and I want to improve my way to play.

Any advice is welcomed.
Thanks in advance!

[katymaty]

For Omaha hi the best hands are ones where there are lots of options for straights flushes etc like 910JQ double suited or where all the cards work togeher.

910JQ is also better than JQKA as there are alot more straights possible although you have to be careful about getting the lower end of the straight.

In Holdem you only have two cards, Omaha you have 4 cards which is effectively 6 hands, so if you have 6 possibilities of hands the more chance you have of winning.

Omaha H/L is all about scooping the pot, no point going all in with only half especialy cash games where even if you win against one other player you will end up losing because of the rake and never draw to half the pot unless there are a few players in the hand, the pot is worth drawing too and it doesnt cost alot to draw

For counting systems do a search on google there seems to be quite a few

[luzipher]

Originally Posted by katymaty

For Omaha hi the best hands are ones where there are lots of options for straights flushes etc like 910JQ double suited or where all the cards work togeher.

910JQ is also better than JQKA as there are alot more straights possible although you have to be careful about getting the lower end of the straight.

In Holdem you only have two cards, Omaha you have 4 cards which is effectively 6 hands, so if you have 6 possibilities of hands the more chance you have of winning.

Omaha H/L is all about scooping the pot, no point going all in with only half especialy cash games where even if you win against one other player you will end up losing because of the rake and never draw to half the pot unless there are a few players in the hand, the pot is worth drawing too and it doesnt cost alot to draw

For counting systems do a search on google there seems to be quite a few

Thanks for your answer.
I know that I can search on google, in fact, I already found some counting systems.
I was asking about people with experience using this kind of systems.

[jctm1988]

At google you find one real fast , you can put in the cards your holding and it gives you overall points, but i dont know how this will help your game ???


I would love to enter flop , own hand , people in hand , what actions was made . And then get a % . Like i need it ... i calculate it on the spot .



JCTM1988


In the pokerstars Freeroll tournament right now . Omaha hi , 26.000 chips .

[luzipher]

Originally Posted by jctm1988

At google you find one real fast , you can put in the cards your holding and it gives you overall points, but i dont know how this will help your game ???

I wanted to listen experience from people using those systems. I want improve my preflop decisions. I know which is the best hand in Omaha HI, and which is in Omaha HL, but I want a little more information, and a i was searching people with experience.
Thanks!

[Zach]

Omaha is actually more simple than hold'em when it comes to starting hands. You absolutely have to have lots of power.

Hi/lo

You want A2s A3s

That is the dream start.

I do not like starting a hand that has a pair unless its aces, unless I have two pairs.

Really shouldnt even be doing that unless both of them are high pairs ... only use for them is a fullhouse - and we have all lost to higher houses numerous times.

The way I would like to play (though I have a bad habit of ignoring mysyelf) is to toss anything that doesnt have a strong low draw and at least one suited ace. Who cares what you would have had in hands you are not in, I only care about what I have when I am in a hand - and I want to make sure I can get a nut low, and a nut high before I start a hand.

Hi

To me the same start as Hi/Lo is optimal.

AXs, AXs

I do not care what the "X" card is. Obviously something like AKs, AKs, or AQs, AJs is better - but I am really only interested in that second card being suited with the ace.

Again, the way I would like to play is not to start any hand unless I have at least one ace suited.

In practice I will generally start 6789 or 7899 hands (or better/worse with similiar pattern) ... I also from experiance think that such starts, while they can be gold at times - can also be killers.

For the Hi I really just want an Ace high flush with no pair on the board. Your gold, you won, no split pot.

[luzipher]

Thanks again for your answers.
But I repeat, I already have a little experience playing omaha.
In fact, I have already won some Sit&Go playing Omaha.
I'm searching for people that have used counting systems and can talk about their own experience about those systems.
By example:
There is a counting system created by Mr. Hutchison, but also I have read some critics on that system, indicating that the form to score the hands is not the suitable one.

[pothole]

I don't quite understand why you are asking this question? are you looking for some sort of cheat system? or a way to give you an edge over the other players? either way the best "system" is to play the game, rack up a couple thousand hands, and learn from your mistakes. The best counter you have is your brain, don't be lazy, use it.

[luzipher]

Originally Posted by pothole

I don't quite understand why you are asking this question? are you looking for some sort of cheat system? or a way to give you an edge over the other players? either way the best "system" is to play the game, rack up a couple thousand hands, and learn from your mistakes. The best counter you have is your brain, don't be lazy, use it.

cheat system?
Do you know what you are talking about?
A counting system evaluates your hand giving you a number. You use that "number" to make decisions.
I use my brain don't bother about that, but usually the brain is not speed enough or make mistakes that a "system" maybe can avoid them.
I just only asking for people with experience using those systems.
Not more than that, but not less. If you think you can help me with my question, please feel free to post your opinion, but just talking about cheat systems (when obviously isn't this case) or giving me an advice about the use of my brain don't help in any matter.
Thanks anyway for your time.

[Zach]

Hell I am not sure what you mean by a count system

You know four cards pre-flop. Yours.

What the hell is there to count?