SO: The best Hand at the moment I can make is JJ1010
WITH A BACK DOOR TRIP KINGS OR A BACK DOOR HIGHER 2 PAIR. OR A DRAW FOR A STRAIGHT.MRMMM, i DONT FANCY MY CHANCES TO BE HONEST WITH THIS FLOP.
i WOULD BE READY TO FOLD MY HAND DEPENDING HOW MUCH IT IS TO CALL, i WOULDNT INVEST TO MUCH MONEY ON THIS HAND.
Because theres NOT enough information on the hand.
JC can you come up with a better idea?
Cracker, its a make or brake hand, UTG and cheep blinds, it depends what come on the turn and how many are in the hand (like JC said)
I have a think over the weekend , if I can come up with a better format, I have NO hand historys, That I want to post for security reasons ( I dont want to give away where I played and My user name on the web, Just in case I go back to playing on a computer)
Well , if i put in my id , then the hand will go as follow that i would have wanted it to be, and i dont want that, cause i would have made my own decessions and would have won .
So i would a other member to post the turn card, so i can decide the actions that will be taken then, and i still dont have any info regarding my 2 opponents hands, the bb and the cut off.. So if a other member comes with those things i can continue the hand.
Ohye manual register for today's pokerkings ofc event ! 19.00 pm it will begin .
Ill keep all posted laterz, busy work ...
JCTM1988
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SO: The best Hand at the moment I can make is JJ1010
WITH A BACK DOOR TRIP KINGS OR A BACK DOOR HIGHER 2 PAIR. OR A DRAW FOR A STRAIGHT.MRMMM, i DONT FANCY MY CHANCES TO BE HONEST WITH THIS FLOP.
Cracker"
Well i didnt play the ofc event on pokerkings, im not going to play online for a long time.
I was at holland casino .. playing live .
Ok anywayz..
The turn card is like the least expected a stopper what i call, the turn is a 8 of , this card doesnt help us at all , since we got kkj10 , this card just doesnt add up to our hand , but it does put a other straight draw and a other flush draw out there, so now we can count out allot of outs for our hand , possible Q9 ball. suited clubs still being in the hand and the diamonds.. This is the action :
We do want to know where we are at now ... since we check called the flop we didnt get any information from them.. and im still not getting any read on them ..
Im probally taking this action : Bet out half pot .
500 original pot : 450 betted by the raiser , bb calls , we call 1400 pot .
So now we bet 700 in a 1400 pot , not a bad move if you think you can make a move.
The raiser thinks like for it , 6 seconds and then looks at his cards , and throws them away , which is really weird since he bet out and was the raiser and did a 90 % bet on the flop which was called by me and the bb , and now we bet out 700 he folds .
He was bluffing.
The BB isnt going anywhere and raises us pot ! pot is 2100 and he puts in 2100 which makes the pot 4200 , now what could he being calling with and then raising us pot after we bet out 700 , it's unlikely he is holding aa or the kq , since he would have protected his hand against other draws on the flop , which is the potential flush draw and or getting a paired board for a full house .
Well well , im going into the think tank, and figure out what exactly is going on i dont want to put in the 2100 extra if i know im beat, and it really feels like that we are beat, but what if we are not ? what if he is raising with the flush draw or a bluf , or a draw aswell ? could he does this with 2 diamonds and 2 clubs at holding with a weak ace or maybe slight the hand q9ax , so this hand i can put him on if im going to win , since he only has a pair , and a draw , his pair is higher then ours , and his drawing is likely 40 % better at most , so what are the chances of us winning 20 % ? 1 out is 2 % ... if we got 10 outs left since the 8 came , lets say we got 2 less outs .. then he is a 80 % favorite to win , and hes betting pot .
My action : Think about it , dont show your hand , turn over the kings and say , nice bluf . and then fold then hand.
This is the end of the hand ? , im not happy with that . why couldnt the turn card be a 4 of hearts or a spade , spade or heart would have still made me make the call .. not in hopes to win the hand , but to really see how it would have ended at the river .
Cause i want to learn ofcourse from some mistakes we make with big hands , this is what happens if we did make the suprizing call with the gut shot draw and the king j or 10 to help us we hope.
Opponent turns over A J Q 9
As we can see the jack doesnt help us at all , neither does the Q of clubs .
He did have a weak ace , but has it uped with the jack... and now that he has found a flush draw with the 2 pair , and a straight draw aswell he raised us .
The river card ?
I would like to know .
( so then we make the final decession of the hand ) Max invested is already 5000 ( so we make the final decession at the river card , and we dont have to put in more then the max investment we where planing .
( those are two options we could have gone for ) but we now know our opponents holding so it all comes down to the river card )
As i said i first suggested folding .
But if we did make the call this would have happend at the end of the hand ( showdown ) but we havent seen a river card yet (?x?)
JCTM1988
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Here's the thing, if you cant spot the sucker the first half hour of the game, you are the sucker.
Well i didnt play the ofc event on pokerkings, im not going to play online for a long time.
I was at holland casino .. playing live .
Ok anywayz..
The turn card is like the least expected a stopper what i call, the turn is a 8 of , this card doesnt help us at all , since we got kkj10 , this card just doesnt add up to our hand , but it does put a other straight draw and a other flush draw out there, so now we can count out allot of outs for our hand , possible Q9 ball. suited clubs still being in the hand and the diamonds.. This is the action :
We do want to know where we are at now ... since we check called the flop we didnt get any information from them.. and im still not getting any read on them ..
Im probally taking this action : Bet out half pot .
500 original pot : 450 betted by the raiser , bb calls , we call 1400 pot .
So now we bet 700 in a 1400 pot , not a bad move if you think you can make a move.
The raiser thinks like for it , 6 seconds and then looks at his cards , and throws them away , which is really weird since he bet out and was the raiser and did a 90 % bet on the flop which was called by me and the bb , and now we bet out 700 he folds .
He was bluffing.
The BB isnt going anywhere and raises us pot ! pot is 2100 and he puts in 2100 which makes the pot 4200 , now what could he being calling with and then raising us pot after we bet out 700 , it's unlikely he is holding aa or the kq , since he would have protected his hand against other draws on the flop , which is the potential flush draw and or getting a paired board for a full house .
Well well , im going into the think tank, and figure out what exactly is going on i dont want to put in the 2100 extra if i know im beat, and it really feels like that we are beat, but what if we are not ? what if he is raising with the flush draw or a bluf , or a draw aswell ? could he does this with 2 diamonds and 2 clubs at holding with a weak ace or maybe slight the hand q9ax , so this hand i can put him on if im going to win , since he only has a pair , and a draw , his pair is higher then ours , and his drawing is likely 40 % better at most , so what are the chances of us winning 20 % ? 1 out is 2 % ... if we got 10 outs left since the 8 came , lets say we got 2 less outs .. then he is a 80 % favorite to win , and hes betting pot .
My action : Think about it , dont show your hand , turn over the kings and say , nice bluf . and then fold then hand.
This is the end of the hand ? , im not happy with that . why couldnt the turn card be a 4 of hearts or a spade , spade or heart would have still made me make the call .. not in hopes to win the hand , but to really see how it would have ended at the river .
Cause i want to learn ofcourse from some mistakes we make with big hands , this is what happens if we did make the suprizing call with the gut shot draw and the king j or 10 to help us we hope.
Opponent turns over A J Q 9
As we can see the jack doesnt help us at all , neither does the Q of clubs .
He did have a weak ace , but has it uped with the jack... and now that he has found a flush draw with the 2 pair , and a straight draw aswell he raised us .
The river card ?
I would like to know .
( so then we make the final decession of the hand ) Max invested is already 5000 ( so we make the final decession at the river card , and we dont have to put in more then the max investment we where planing .
( those are two options we could have gone for ) but we now know our opponents holding so it all comes down to the river card )
As i said i first suggested folding .
But if we did make the call this would have happend at the end of the hand ( showdown ) but we havent seen a river card yet (?x?)
After calling, the 2100 bet , our opponent makes a slight sit back, and looks at his cards.
Why would he look at his hole cards ones more ? doesnt he know what he had the first place ?
No im to smart for that , and im not going to fall for that trick , he is checking for if he does have the nuts already and is likely still on a big draw .
So we dont take action the river comes down 2 , .. this just didnt help us at all , we check ...
Opponent bets 3000 into the 4200 pot .
Again , we could turn over the kings ... say nh , and fold .
If you dont want them to see your holdings just muke them , theres no shame in losing on a big hand .
( There is no shame in folding a huge hand, you got to know when your beat, and lay down the hand ) ( lol sounds bit like the poker after dark intro video )
Doyle brunson : Poker isnt about winning or losing , it's about making the right decession , you got to know when to call , fold or push all in .
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Pff tomorrow im playing the North Sea Poker Classics at Holland Casino with players from over europa , and atleast 20 pro's .
Hope i do well , im watching rounders today , stuey higher roller movie , and some poker after dark , ( to bad the players in poker after dark in this session wont teach me much i guess, LOL )
JCTM1988
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Here's the thing, if you cant spot the sucker the first half hour of the game, you are the sucker.
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Last edited by jctm1988; 05-26-2008 at 03:12 PM.
Reason: much is muke
Pff tomorrow im playing the North Sea Poker Classics at Holland Casino with players from over europa , and atleast 20 pro's .
Hope i do well , im watching rounders today , stuey higher roller movie , and some poker after dark , ( to bad the players in poker after dark in this session wont teach me much i guess, LOL )
JCTM1988
Good post again.
Good luck tomorrow! Please let us know about your performance there.
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, im not happy with that . why couldnt the turn card be a 4 of hearts or a spade , spade or heart would have still made me make the call .. not in hopes to win the hand , but to really see how it would have ended at the river .
