The Scenario:
Omaha Hi Pot limit, tournament, 7 seat Tables.
Deep Stack 20,000 Chips , 1st hand Blinds 25/50
HAND 1:-
You are UTG Pot=75 chips.
Your hand:
K,K,J,T
What is your next move ? What are you Thinking with this move?
GT
NB* We need a Volunteer to get a pack of cards and Randomly send me in a PM a FLOP for this hand. 1st one to volunteer is the cyber dealer so some interaction will be appreciated for our study group. ( I was going to ask BOB but I think he may be too busy??? Please excuse the Presumption of your work load Bob.
It is a 7 seat table ? ok that's fairly new to me, so it most be a live game.
Your attention when starting this tour is to only play primium hands, and you just found one under the gun , not knowing how your opponents play , you decide to take your chances and start the bidding yourself , with a wide range they can put you on when you do start the bidding instead of giving the assumption if you limp, you represent a bigger hand then when you raise 3/4 of total pot , i would put your hand range at a pair , but not higher then jacks, with a wired connector, so then when somebody repops you , you can make the decession easily since you will be last to act , ( not counting that if the bb calls ... ) you are still in the pot, so you make the final decession, ) lets say you do get reraised after 3 people fold , so the cut off guy reraises , and he puts in 3/4 more of the pot , the button folds , sb folds , and bb makes the call . Your goal is to win 1 pot not more then the risk of 5000 your willing to take with kings, suits hearts and spades and connected to J 10 . So you decide to call ( which i think is best to do ) , the pot is now : 75 + 60 = 135 + 90 = 225 + ( BB 175 ) + u call 90 = a 490 pot .
The flop is action packed :
Q A 9 .
I will add the flop action after a while ...
Ill give the spoiler turn card which none of the players ofcouse know : Later.
Holding cut off : XXXX
Holding BB : XXXX
I am to addicted LOL .
We dont know what is going to happen , and i would like a other member to fill in the holdings of the other two players, but it most be in the suits i gave .
JCTM1988
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Hey JC we have a small problem, Thank you for posting your flop BUT Jeffsbabe posted this before you, in a pm, I didnt get to my email/pm till a minute ago
here is the flop
10AJ
i took the original cards out of the deck shuffle dealt 6 other hands burned one card dealt flop
So as this was in a PM I think jeffsbabe flop should stand. Do you mind mate?
If you dont mind after we kill this hand you can pick hand 2, I know you love Omaha
[quote=jctm1988;34798]It is a 7 seat table ? ok that's fairly new to me, so it most be a live game.
Your attention when starting this tour is to only play primium hands, and you just found one under the gun ,
I agree you are deep stacked theres NO point in bleeding chips off for the sake of it.
you decide to take your chances and start the bidding yourself , with a wide range they can put you on when you do start the bidding instead of giving the assumption if you limp, you represent a bigger hand then when you raise 3/4 of total pot ,
I like ( if I get a good hand, no matter where it is to get my chips moving, I LOVE JC play here!
i would put your hand range at a pair , but not higher then jacks, with a wired connector, so then when somebody repops you , you can make the decession easily since you will be last to act , ( not counting that if the bb calls ... )
I think the blinds are going to call in Omaha if its cheep and cheep to me with 20k is under 2000. Top think 4 me by YOU here JC IMHO, I would be praying for a broadway flop here and not for a low flop.
you are still in the pot, so you make the final decession, ) lets say you do get reraised after 3 people fold , so the cut off guy reraises , and he puts in 3/4 more of the pot , the button folds , sb folds , and bb makes the call . Your goal is to win 1 pot not more then the risk of 5000 your willing to take with kings, suits hearts and spades and connected to J 10 . So you decide to call ( which i think is best to do ) , the pot is now : 75 + 60 = 135 + 90 = 225 + ( BB 175 ) + u call 90 = a 490 pot .
I total agree!
Let me know what we are doing with the flop seeing as we now have 2 ( Lady's 1st gets my vote)
great idea as I need to learn to - obviously I know the basics but I wouldn't be confident playing it live or online for sizable money
Will be getting myself into some low stakes omaha SNG's I think to get a refresher and build a proper game.
Looking at the way the hand is developing it looks like the classic something for everyone type of danger hand - could easily end in tears but there are alot of reasons to stay in the hand
And even I know that's dangerous in Omaha ;-)
I am definately planning to setup a HORSE game (one off prob at FTP) as I just think this would be fun
anyway - great thread and as always I'm a firm believer that the more you study a game and different strategies (or even more usefully a totally different game) - this helps firm up you original game and gets that poker mind ticking much more sharply
cheers scrawnybob
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Ok now we got a all different flop to start out with: how many opponents ( ? ) Still 2 ?
Ok lets do our action first .
A J 10
We have flopped mid two pair,
Unlikely holdings of one of the two holding KQ, AA, i wont put them on these variant of hands, since with AA i would pump the pot up full, so pot bet , and this hasent happend so we cant put bouth on AA or KQ, ( kq is unlikely since you hold 2 kings, but hey that doesnt mean they cant hold a K with a Q .
So now we are UTG <<< with a Ace on board, possible straight and flush draw, and a possible holding of opponents is a set of jacks or 10's which is highely unlikely aswell since you hold one jack and 1 ten, so if they do have a set , there hand can only improve to 8 outs , 3 aces ( turn card ) x 3 river card 2x . = 8 outs . for them if they hold a set of jacks or tens ... , now we have flopped a gut shot straight draw with the queen , that is a 2 outs at most , if they dont have the holding of sets, we can draw to one or two of the likely 10's and jacks in the deck which gives us 4 more outs = 6 outs, and if we do hit a king on the turn , we got likely AX x 3 = 6 or more outs = likely 12 outs at most if we do hit the king , this is maximum outs we can possible get for our hand value , now this all in mind , calculated on the spot, i guess all did this aswell.
Now our action is based on a pot of ? I need info .
If we take my pot size of lets say 500 with 12 outs, this is likely action :
We : Check UTG. ( we want to know where we are at in this situation )
Sb : Bets over 90 % pot . ( the reraiser preflop )
BB : Suprizingly makes the call .
Our action = >? ( decide to call ) ? yes ! ( as said max 5000 invest )
When to break action - turn card emptyness , very low cards ? maybe .. depends if ya think they got less then two pair going atm... but likely fold after one big bet ..
turn card another diamond , will be release of the hand , easy .
turn card a queen 10 or jack , or king ... we continue 100 % .
Turn card ?
Could use the extra info now .
JCTM1988
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Last edited by jctm1988; 05-21-2008 at 03:00 PM.
Reason: my is me , LOL / To many outs j10 counted i made x2 mistake
Too many drawing hand out there to catch up with AA and KQ. I agree with pumping pot with aces but would play a little more cautious with nut straight due to flush draw.
Ok now we got a all different flop to start out with: how many opponents ( ? ) Still 2 ?
Ok lets do our action first .
A J 10
We have flopped mid two pair,
Unlikely holdings of one of the two holding KQ, AA, i wont put them on these variant of hands, since with AA i would pump the pot up full, so pot bet , and this hasent happend so we cant put bouth on AA or KQ, ( kq is unlikely since you hold 2 kings, but hey that doesnt mean they cant hold a K with a Q .
So now we are UTG <<< with a Ace on board, possible straight and flush draw, and a possible holding of opponents is a set of jacks or 10's which is highely unlikely aswell since you hold one jack and 1 ten, so if they do have a set , there hand can only improve to 8 outs , 3 aces ( turn card ) x 3 river card 2x . = 8 outs . for them if they hold a set of jacks or tens ... , now we have flopped a gut shot straight draw with the queen , that is a 2 outs at most , if they dont have the holding of sets, we can draw to one or two of the likely 10's and jacks in the deck which gives us 4 more outs = 6 outs, and if we do hit a king on the turn , we got likely AX x 3 = 6 or more outs = likely 12 outs at most if we do hit the king , this is maximum outs we can possible get for our hand value , now this all in mind , calculated on the spot, i guess all did this aswell.
Now our action is based on a pot of ? I need info .
If we take my pot size of lets say 500 with 12 outs, this is likely action :
We : Check UTG. ( we want to know where we are at in this situation )
Sb : Bets over 90 % pot . ( the reraiser preflop )
BB : Suprizingly makes the call .
Our action = >? ( decide to call ) ? yes ! ( as said max 5000 invest )
When to break action - turn card emptyness , very low cards ? maybe .. depends if ya think they got less then two pair going atm... but likely fold after one big bet ..
turn card another diamond , will be release of the hand , easy .
turn card a queen 10 or jack , or king ... we continue 100 % .
Turn card ?
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