Pkr is rigged!!

[gfm198]

That's right, after over 200 hours of playing micro limits I have absolutely no doubt that the cards are rigged for the crap players!

I have been a winning player all my life (since a little kid!!) at live games playing stud poker and texas hold'em. Even without having read a book on the subject.

After registering with pkr about two months ago I decided to read up on texas hold'em got four books two beginners, a Phil Helmuth and Brunsons super system 2 book.

However, the more I study and the more I play the more I lose. Now I don't consider myself out of my depth at these low level stakes but why do I keep losing? There can only be one answer the site is rigged.

Why do I say this? Well I play a solid game, make some money and then lose all my profit and some more because someone has bet all the way to the river card massively against the pot odds and hits. This happens so often I would say that whenever I have 2 pairs or three of a kind I will lose 60-70% of the time to someone chasing the flush or straight. So much to the 1 in 3 chance of hitting!!

Perhaps I have become the unluckiest online player? I know you have variance but for certainly the last 160 hours of play I have become a pyshic having the ability to read the river card with ease!!

Lets face it if was not rigged all the donks would get stung a couple of times and never come back. But we all know they come back because they know damn well that chasing a straight or a flush is profitable not only because of the good chance of them hitting but because of the implied odds/profit.

No doubt I will get some saying otherwise, but I can only assume they have an invested interest in the sites.

Whether the other sites are the same I don't know, I can only talk about PKR cash games.

Be lucky!!

[xxxpokerxxx1]

wow you have been reading those books you even got hellmuths rant down about how other players are bad and you re good,if you can tell what the river will bring then you should a just you re game accordingly,there are players that win like the you described but it happens all over the place people just get lucky, thats why I never read any books about poker after a while you start to think about pot odds, and such, way to much and you focus and such things I will say that haveing this knowledge is very good,and can only inprove you re game,but if you start to think I should have won that hand because I have the odds to win then you lose you start thinking poker is rigged to me I ve heard this all before,if you believe that pkr is rigged close you re account there and dont play there any more,
as for me I think playing on pkr is alot of fun, and it just comes down to making the right calls at the right time,theres lots of people that think every site is rigged in some way, if that was the case why play at all, just stick to live games,but chances are you would think live poker is rigged too if things dont go you re way,shit happens,donks get lucky, thats just the way it is................so like it or not that is my opionion on that issue.......................

[kingjames07]

i know nothing about PKR because i can't play there...but all i have to say about any site being rigged(mostly said by people on a bad run)..dont play there there are only a ton of other sites you can play. expecially those of you not in the usa...im sure you can find one u can win at....but as for sites in general being fixed...that is utter bullshit

[nb1961]

Playing micro limits anywhere can be soul destroying, so many players at that level just don't know or just don't care what is good or bad poker. Some sites are worse than others, usually sites with a lot of players or sites with sports books (loads of gamblers just desperate to throw away their money).

Money can be made but you have to find ways to avoid the beats, i.e. never bluff, avoid the continuation bet they just won't get it, anything less than trips is a week hand. If you have the nuts take them for all they have because they will keep calling.

I can't agree that any site is rigged what would they have to gain, losing makes us all mad and I know I've shouted rigged at my computer many times, but when you think about it later you know it can't be true. Good luck in finding ways to make money, I'd like to say it gets better as you move up the buy in levels but some how I doubt it will

[ZackK19]

I can't play on PKR because I'm in the states.However as far as online being rigged don't get me wrong I had my string of bad beats like a runner runner to hit his full house to beat my flush.Things happen that way.However as far as being rigged It bullcrap.I play at stars and doyles.However I have not lost since last week and I continue to grind out 2/4 no limit cash game.To top it off if you read super system2 and read phils book which I have by the way.You should't be losing.You also got to take in the fact that they may be on a draw but the pot odds guarenntee the call also from them.If you really want to help yourself .You should think about using implied odds and reverse implied odds to cut down on your losses.Anybody that says online rigged really need to take a step back and maybe take a look at their game.If you lost and you analzye with over 200 hands .I don't belive in 200 hands you lost most of them if you know what your doing if you did it not the PKR it your own game.

[milkman5029]

sounds like to me some one need to take a hammer to their mouse. blame it on the mouse. its the 1 that sent that command

[gfm198]

Thanks for your replies

But most of you don't seem to get the point here.

I'm not saying I should be kicking everyones arse because I have read up a bit on hold'em, nor am I saying that micro players are crap. In fact I'm one of a few players who would actually say that some of the micro players are very good players at THIS level.

I know that they would get torn apart at higher levels. But they have learnt the way to play at this level. No book (I don't think?) will tell you how to play at this level because it go's against every teaching aspect of the game.

If you read every book on hold'em and played at the highest level, then came down to micro stakes you would have to simply change the way you play. These players have learnt chasing the draws is very profitable with the implied odds, fair play to them!

My gripe is however the sheer high percentage that the draws hit. The law of averages means that after 100's of drawing hands it should be around the 1 in 3 chance. But this is not happening.

If someone calls against unfavourable the pot odds then fair play they have their implied odds. But when they are calling against massive pot odds and keep hitting you have to wonder? Maybe I'm just on a real bad losing streak?

Incidently was heads up today and had pocket aces, guess what? so did the other player! Odds 270000/1. Now if I was playing heads up all the time I would say well it's gonna come up sooner than later. But this was pretty much a one off. Was playing a six player table and simply went down to the two of us for a few hands!

Good luck at the tables!

[nb1961]

Incidently was heads up today and had pocket aces, guess what? so did the other player! Odds 270000/1. Now if I was playing heads up all the time I would say well it's gonna come up sooner than later. But this was pretty much a one off. Was playing a six player table and simply went down to the two of us for a few hands!

I was playing Pokerstars the other night and they had a world record week promo going on the message in the window announced landmark hands and they were going up about 1,000,000 hands per hour on cash tables alone. I can't even begin to work out how their random number generator works but in theory your 270,000/1 hand must have happened nearly 4 times per hour I'm probably over simplifying things a touch lol

Then rest of your post I agree with, any book written by a poker pro is not going to be relevent to micro limit games. But I still can't agree that sites are rigged there would be no point. Unless you are UB and Phil Helmuth that is

[pothole]

Regarding the OP, I see threads like this in every forum I am a member of and do not believe for a seconds that the rng is "rigged" to reward poor players. The fact that it does proves the point that it is purely random. If you think this "rule" only applies to online play, take a deck of cards, sit at a table and deal 6 sets of hole cards and the deal 5 community cards. Do this for at least 1000 hands and see how many times the best hole cards win, it will be way less than 50%. The reason people make these "rigged" threads is because they are solid players who make valid raises and get called by tools with 2 5os who get paid off. Micro games are full of players with big bankrolls who play there just to annoy the smaller guys trying to build a bankroll, and players who have won a few cents in a freeroll and donk it off at micro games.

[jacksRwild63]

I feel your pain, Ive lived your pain. Ive been the pain, pokers a pain