Worst Advice/Strategy

[LombardiStix]

What is the worst strategy you ever read? Or what was the worst advice you've heard from reading people who think they know what they're talking about?

Stix

[ND1991]

Well there is one that baffles me, and I understand the math of it, but I am not sure it is sound.

Often when someone has pushed all-in and someone is willing to call a large portion or all of their stack with the thinking they have two live cards and are getting pot odds.

For example, someone pushes with XX and the pot now has 13,000 chips in it and gets called by someone that needs to put an additional 9,000 in (their entire stack). The caller flips up 45s.

So they are probably get 9:13 odds on a hand they are a 4:6 dog.

The only thing worse than this is when they then call the other person an idiot for the two cards they played after they have lost.

I would put this under questionable strategy with my thinking being if I am risking my tournament life, I would prefer to get in ahead (or at worst a race closer to 48/52).

Maybe that is a place I could improve???

[kingmotan]

ND, I always evaluate the player first (his range of pushing there), then the stacks, then where we are in report to bubble/ final table if it's a tournament and then I look at my cards lol. But usually I hate to be the caller, with something like j10. I will put my money in with the same hand tough, but only if I'm the initial aggressor..

[Logan]

For me, the strategy of some that take you out of a pot in flop when a shorstack is already allin sucks.

I see it to many times when some one go allin, 2 players call, then in flop can hit or not but player1 bet big to take out the other player and shorstack end winning the hand and get back in shape.

When 2 are already in, to me is not a good move to prefer that the shorstack have the chance to get the chips been 1-1 (but with 3 times the chips now) that the chance that other player get the chips but are 2-1 versus a shorstack when this could mean a player less to fight in the game.

Even in our games see this, last week in PKR was last 4 in table (pay 3) shorstack go allin other player and i call, other player bet big in pot to take me out of the hand, shorstack end winning with a flush and if i stay will win with a higher flush, shorstack get back in shape, hands later player that take me out of the hand go out 4, i end 3rd and shorstack before end 2nd.

Bodog game this thursday same thing, shorstack go allin like 200-300 chips, i call with A-Q other player also call with K-10, not sure if 10 appear in flop or not, i check player 2 bet and i fold, shorstack show Ax, A come and shorstack win, shorstack get chips back when i could take him out.

and this is with 2 players in, some times is even with 3 and one take out the other 2 just to give shorstack 4 times chips.

Maybe is a correct move but do not understand this logic/strategy of play, maybe some one can explain to me?.

[Terminal Frost]

I totally agree with you Logan, especially when no side pot exists. It's not like its ring and it doesn't matter whether someone is taken out or not.

Once in a decent game, someone bluffed me out of a pot with nothing, and I would have had the short stack beat. To make it worse, it was on the bubble!!! And like you, the sort stack ended up crippling me a few hands later with a suckout and I bubbled.

I have never forgiven that person to this day for that stupid move.

This has happened more than once in 4K games also and I don't know the reasoning behind it either. It is to everyone's advantage to have a player gone. Once when everyone did check it down and the short stack was taken out, a comment was made by one of the players involved that "See, that's how good players play".

The only time I will bet under those conditions is when I have the nutz.

[LombardiStix]

For me, the strategy of some that take you out of a pot in flop when a shorstack is already allin sucks.

I see it to many times when some one go allin, 2 players call, then in flop can hit or not but player1 bet big to take out the other player and shorstack end winning the hand and get back in shape.

When 2 are already in, to me is not a good move to prefer that the shorstack have the chance to get the chips been 1-1 (but with 3 times the chips now) that the chance that other player get the chips but are 2-1 versus a shorstack when this could mean a player less to fight in the game.

Even in our games see this, last week in PKR was last 4 in table (pay 3) shorstack go allin other player and i call, other player bet big in pot to take me out of the hand, shorstack end winning with a flush and if i stay will win with a higher flush, shorstack get back in shape, hands later player that take me out of the hand go out 4, i end 3rd and shorstack before end 2nd.

Bodog game this thursday same thing, shorstack go allin like 200-300 chips, i call with A-Q other player also call with K-10, not sure if 10 appear in flop or not, i check player 2 bet and i fold, shorstack show Ax, A come and shorstack win, shorstack get chips back when i could take him out.

and this is with 2 players in, some times is even with 3 and one take out the other 2 just to give shorstack 4 times chips.

Maybe is a correct move but do not understand this logic/strategy of play, maybe some one can explain to me?.

I completely disagree. I'm playing to win. If I can push you out of the pot... I up my chances of taking the whole pot down. There are times when letting the bubble get knocked I may do it, but I never am in a pot to let someone else win. If you're not in the pot anymore I've got the all-in one on one. Lol so I subscribe to the worst advice you've ever seen. lmfao.

Stix

[PLAYFUL1]

I completely disagree. I'm playing to win. If I can push you out of the pot... I up my chances of taking the whole pot down. There are times when letting the bubble get knocked I may do it, but I never am in a pot to let someone else win. If you're not in the pot anymore I've got the all-in one on one. Lol so I subscribe to the worst advice you've ever seen. lmfao.

Stix

AYEEE.. DON'T FORGET IN THE BACK OF UR MIND TO KEEP THE P.U.T. (PLAYFUL'S USEFUL THEORY) ON HAND WHEN SHORT STACK AND PLAYIN NEAR THE MONY.. THIS IS VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE SHORTSTACKE DWHEN TO COMMIT YOUR CHIPS AND TOURNEYS HOPES AGAINST THE CHIPS LEADERS

[madjek]

If it's close to the bubble I def. agree not to bet when short stack is allin. Now if I hit top pair or something like that, then I 'll bet cause I don't want an over card to hit and take my pot, not too often that saves short stack, maybe occasionally but in that case its worth it to me to better my chance to win the pot. But to bluff with nothin doesn't make sense (I know I did that to you once T.F. but I was playin another tourney, not payin close attention and though side pot was a lot bigger). For me, I look at tournaments in stages, my first goal is to make the money, then I worry about trying to win it.

[LombardiStix]

AYEEE.. DON'T FORGET IN THE BACK OF UR MIND TO KEEP THE P.U.T. (PLAYFUL'S USEFUL THEORY) ON HAND WHEN SHORT STACK AND PLAYIN NEAR THE MONY.. THIS IS VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE SHORTSTACKE DWHEN TO COMMIT YOUR CHIPS AND TOURNEYS HOPES AGAINST THE CHIPS LEADERS

Good place to bring up PUT.

[Terminal Frost]

LOL Stix.

IMO always defend your blinds is bad advice. I've seen players who always do this and they are usually out more than in. Sure you can get lucky in a game or two defending your blinds with 52o but in the long run, it's not going to work.