How Much Bankroll To Start With??

[noskidmarks]

Hey guys, I am very new to this forum, but am looking for some feedback...If I want to play poker full time, how much bankroll should I start out with If I am going to multi 3-4 tables @ .25 NL, and approximately how many hands should I be playing to generate a positive revenue including the variance????

Peace

Skiddies

[hojediade]

This is a serious question that would need a complex and long answer.
IMO, you should first wonder about the $/hour rate you want to earn, and then you'll find the answer by yourself, knowing your own ROI at this limit.

[ND1991]

I agree there is not just one answer to this question. However, if you are looking for something as a benchmark then I would make these assumptions:

1) You are going to buy-in for table max $25 (maybe $12.50)
2) You are going to top off if you fall below $20 (maybe $10)
3) You will always be playing four tables
4) You are playing odds poker not people poker. What I mean by this is most decisions you are making when quad-tabling will be math based and not rely heavily on having observed the table or refering to notes on players. There are of course exceptions, but this would be the primary style.

One possible number...
Min bankroll $25 (buy-in) * 35 (min buy-ins per table) * 4 (number of tables) = $3500.

I believe this gives you a little flexibility in case you begin on a cold streak. I believe the absolute minimum bankroll you want to be playing these stakes at would be...
$25 * 15 * 4 = $1500.

I would also encourage you to read
http://www.4kingpoker.com/article/59...ent_money.html

and

http://www.4kingpoker.com/article/10...ling_tips.html

Good luck!

[noskidmarks]

Great Advice!

[readchomsky]

What may be even more important is how much of your bankroll you should play with at a time. The concensus amongst pros is to never play with more than 5-15% of your bankroll at any given time. That way if you lose that small percentage then you have money leftover to play again, even if you have to go down a level. If that's what the pros did to build their bankroll, it's kind of hard to argue with it.

[Poker Orifice]

I agree there is not just one answer to this question. However, if you are looking for something as a benchmark then I would make these assumptions:

1) You are going to buy-in for table max $25 (maybe $12.50)
This is really bad advice imo.. why do we EVER want to buyin short? We always want to buyin for the max.! (we're limiting ourselves & our implied odds by playing with a stack of this size)
2) You are going to top off if you fall below $20 (maybe $10)
I'm not understanding this ^, I'm thinking we just assume that OP always tops his stack back up to 100bb's anytime it falls below this amount. Too many players (newer ones imo... but could be for other reasons?) will play their stack in a ring game, similiarly to as if they were playing a tourney (ie. letting it dwindle down).. Why would they want to ever play with less than a full 100bb's (if they do.. then I'd suggest they play at a lower limit) < not just 'my opinion
3) You will always be playing four tables
4) You are playing odds poker not people poker. What I mean by this is most decisions you are making when quad-tabling will be math based and not rely heavily on having observed the table or refering to notes on players. There are of course exceptions, but this would be the primary style.
Perhaps for sng's, but for 6max & FR, why wouldn't OP be playing vs. player reads.. ie. PT3 stats., notes, etc.? ie ie. if he knows "villian folds to cbet X%"..isn't he using this info.? OR if villain 3bet/folds in position X% (X= too high).. then isn't he 4betting a bit light more often, etc. etc.

One possible number...
Min bankroll $25 (buy-in) * 35 (min buy-ins per table) * 4 (number of tables) = $3500.

I believe this gives you a little flexibility in case you begin on a cold streak. I believe the absolute minimum bankroll you want to be playing these stakes at would be...
$25 * 15 * 4 = $1500.

I would also encourage you to read
http://www.4kingpoker.com/article/59...ent_money.html

and

http://www.4kingpoker.com/article/10...ling_tips.html

Good luck!

OP, size of bankroll you'll be needing to multi-table at 25nl would be ~ $1,000 You want to have ~40buyins in your roll. It doesn't matter how many tables you have going at once,... this changes nothing (BRM for Ring games isn't about having 40x the amount you have in play... it's estimated on how much you are buying in for on 'a' table). Some suggest 50buyins... but 40 is pretty much standard (and some play with 20buyins but this is cutting it close as it's very easy to take a 10buyin+ downswing).
40buyins for whatever limit you're playing at would be my recommendation.

You'd have to establish if you're a winning player at that buyin level, before really making any estimations.
How many hands do you need to be playing.... as many as you have time for.

[noskidmarks]

Hey guys, I've been playing alot of .01 .02 PLO, and have a bankroll of 60.00 bucks, I am single tabling it right now, and playing shorthanded; but am finding that I have really lowered my standards for my starting hands. I really am not looking for 'Super" premium starting hands, and have been quite successful. I am not hardcore chasing, but am playing alot of "connected" type hands, and am not chasing or calling really huge bets, but the most important item " I AM NOT THINKING ABOUT MY BANKROLL IN THE MIDDLE OF A HANDS",

SKIDDIES

[Poker Orifice]

Awesome to hear about 'not thinking about bankroll in middle of hands'!!!
GL on the tables!

[snowfish]

I personally think the fist question should not be about the bank roll. Better you know your ROI first. If you already have a negative ROI, do not even bother to think about a bank roll to start with

cheers snowfish

[Poker Orifice]

I personally think the fist question should not be about the bank roll. Better you know your ROI first. If you already have a negative ROI, do not even bother to think about a bank roll to start with

cheers snowfish

Not sure I understand what you're saying here??
What is an ROI on cash tables? And how would one have any clue what their BB/100hands would be at a limit on a particular site until they've put in a decent sample size of hands? Even if they've played 10,000 hands they're still not getting an accurate measure (sure they'll have an idea if they can play profitably at that limit but not with a clear indication of what rate they're winnning at... plus.. how does ROI relate to that.... I'm feeling kinda lost here??).