Number of BB that you have.

[GOIVIT]

I was playing a MTT today and all the things I read say you need x number of big blinds and you do this or that. Small stack/chip leader etc. Well I had 9000 chips with blinds of 1000/500. The books/experts would say I have 9 BB's but in reality I only have 6. What are the "experts" missing or is it just me missing something.

This would make a big difference in the way I might play.

Comments?

[madjek]

You have 9 BB's , You have 6 blinds (BB + SB). Most things I see about when you should be fold or shove are referring to number of blinds you have, in other words, how many times can the button go around whole table till you are blinded out. I like to look at how many BB's I have, once you get too low, you're usually going to get called no matter what BB has. You want to try and steal some blinds (imo) when you're short stacked. The more times you're at risk (even as the favorite) the better the chance you eventually lose one). So you want to start pushing before you get to that point. But that (again imo) all depends on the table. I've been on tables where a min raise would steal the blinds even from a small stack into a big stack, and other times where some players will call small stacks with nothing, just to try and knock em out.

[villaridge]

wow, what a wierd question. For one I know of no book that says you would have have 9 BB's with a 9,000 stack and blinds of 1,000/500.

lol, ok, this question begs.... what about antes's, and what about # of players at the table, and what about # of peeps left in the tournament, and what about blind levels and time. That all has a direct influence on your "x" or "m" as some call it.

Harrington explains your M well, and he takes 3 volumes to do it. Each hundreds of pages. Go study it. Look, your "m" or "x" or whatever you call it, is a gauge you use to predicate your hand range on, while using player reads, and position reads, board reads, fold equity, implied odds, etc.

Your "x" or "m" is a subjective integral part of poker. You have to match it to the other many variables in poker, and weight it in regard to the other variables.

[GOIVIT]

wow, what a wierd question. For one I know of no book that says you would have have 9 BB's with a 9,000 stack and blinds of 1,000/500.

I did not think this question was this complicated, but...

If the blinds are 1000/500 how many BB's do you count? Lots of discussions say if you have x BB's you do this and then they show 10k chips and 9 BB's, etc.

Just wondered?

lol, ok, this question begs.... what about antes's, and what about # of players at the table, and what about # of peeps left in the tournament, and what about blind levels and time. That all has a direct influence on your "x" or "m" as some call it.

No ante's, full table 9, don't remember but we were only 2/3's in (probably 300+), blinds are right there and time (? don't know how this is relevant).

[madjek]

You have 9 BB's , You have 6 blinds (BB + SB). Most things I see about when you should be fold or shove are referring to number of blinds you have, in other words, how many times can the button go around whole table till you are blinded out. I like to look at how many BB's I have, once you get too low, you're usually going to get called no matter what BB has. You want to try and steal some blinds (imo) when you're short stacked. The more times you're at risk (even as the favorite) the better the chance you eventually lose one). So you want to start pushing before you get to that point. But that (again imo) all depends on the table. I've been on tables where a min raise would steal the blinds even from a small stack into a big stack, and other times where some players will call small stacks with nothing, just to try and knock em out.

thought I answered it

[Logan]

Villa already answer your question.

You are talking about 2 different things, BB´s and M:

if you have 9000 chips and blinds are 1000/500 (wich are 1000 big blind/500 small blind), then you have 9bb´s (9 big blinds), this not mean you have 9 rounds left, only mean you have 9 bb´s, but you also have a M: of 6. M: is introduced by harrington in his Harrington of holdem books for tourneys, M: consider bb plus sb plus antes/ #chips (that´s why Villa ask if have antes) so if not have antes, then you got 1000+500 /9000=M:6

That is where you got your 6, you got 6 rounds before get blind it out, the 9bbs left are not telling you that have 9 rounds left, is only a number of bb´s you have (wich make it easy to determined when are playing).

You will find books talking about "with X number of bb´s do this or that", you will also find books talking about "with M: X do this or that".

M: is used for tourneys, bb´s can be used too but is best used in S&G´s, reason is precisely because what you notice, bb´s don´t take in consideration sb or antes wich are need it in Tourneys to be more accurate how much life you got left in the game before get blind it out, in S&G´s is rare you get to antes (depending on the site, example fulltilt don´t use antes for S&G´s) so is better to use bb´s, but at the end is the same.

If you are in a tourney where blinds are 1500/750 with 100 ante and 27567 chips left is way easy to get a number fast that you have around 18bb´s then you need to do this or that, versus need to do all the math to get your exact M: then do this or that.

You can find charts for how to play with X # for both, bb´s and M:

The importance in here is to remember that bb´s are not the rounds you have left to get blind it out, is just the number of bb´s you have at this point, and with that people set a number of ranges to work out what to do.

If want to know more, take the advice from Villa and read Harrington books for tourneys.

[Peteyweestro]

I will never ever be as good as you all are because i don't love this game enough to read book after book on the subject, hell i would feel like i was back in algebra class with all the pot odds and this and that, damn its easier being a lucky donk,lol