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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Abnormal View Post
    Did I mention that almost in the time of one of my longer post I could be at my card room. Now I just wish I could always win money there.

    Im gonna get back in the swing of online, cause I gotta get my odds stuff right in my head (check my odds thread or league thread as I made a cal tonight I thought was good but seem to be the odd one out LOL)

    ANy of yall wanna play to help ( iknow people like BEAN and Assistance and PO dont need much help but I do) maybe we could all set up a home game and then chit chat about the way some of yall handled hands and the way I played hands. I aint talking about make a fortune off each other but we could throw some low stakes for fun and for me learning

    I dunno Im just throwing up ideas I wanna be able to make money at my card room regularly but feel I could probably get my game tighter online, But I read the books it seems to make sense and then I do things totally the opposite. Well anyone on the site think about it, and maybe we could set it up, if we could discuss it later
    I'm all about it. Perhaps on fulltilt or bodog? I would prefer bodog. You set it up, let me know. That would be fun. Peace.

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    Just played a $2 rebuy on bodog. I think I made 8th and it paid 5. I went to the ring games, and made my $8 back though. I just played patiently and caught a couple hands to make the $8.

    I think I am much more focused lately. I am staying so emotionally detached from the game. I think it's just because I don't care if I win. Of course I am not winning alot, just broke even tonight. I profited about $23 yesterday or day before. I don't know why, but I still am not that interested in playing online. If I lost my BR, I don't think I would even care. This is the key folks! Just stop caring. lol. Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Abnormal View Post
    Plus there is so much more I dont really know about online, like PO or beanface explain why the turbo set up sucks < I don't think it 'sucks'.. it's just 'different'. as oppose to traditional times per blind. I thought the whole zest to online poker was faster more and more and faster and more tables and ya know what I mean.< this isn't necessarily the draw of playing a Turbo MTT Sorta surprised to hear beanface make a comment about turbos are all luck no skill type deal but why is this, < not 'luck'... it's a 'different skill set' involved when playing Turbo MTTs. To be a decent Turbo MTT player it's crucial that you have a very good shove/fold/resteal shove game. (there's more to it then clicking buttons, "I"m allin lets gamble baby!!".. ie. knowing what size of stack is never folding when we 3bet them once they've opened a pot (typically 20bb stacks aren't going to fold when we 3bet them.. & if we 3bet a 30bb stack we'll be priced in if they 4bet shove on us.. so we're never 3betting light a 30bb stack... well.. 'almost' never, lol

    I want to get myself back onto an online schedule and force myself to play a certain amount a day cause I really need to be seeing as many hands as I can get, but IM like do I want to play MTTS, SNGS, or just cash games. I dont know what it is but lately I open up a online card room and just stare at the lobby and am not motavated,

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    Turbo 'or' Regular speed. I think where you might have been going with this DanAbs is when referring to playing STT-SNG (SingleTable Sit'nGo). Some choose reg. speed & others actually prefer Turbos. The reason why alot of SNG regular players prefer Turbos is because it is more of a robotic game by nature (it's more about having a solid shove/fold game as the blinds escalate rapidly & stack size vs. blinds gets smaller more quickly). Guys who grind SNG's alot, prefer this more robotic game because they're able to play sometimes up to 20 of them at a time, giving them a higher 'hourly' winrate (there's more of the Turbos running on the sites too, partly because alot of the sng grinders are playing in them).
    good sng players can actually play with a higher ROI% playing the 'reg.' speed tables but because they take a bit longer & because the mid & early levels last longer, there's 'more play' to them (less shove/fold) which takes more thought & time into each play/action by the player.
    Personally I prefer 'reg.' speed SNG's, but also prefer Multi-table SNG"s over STT-SNG (but I'll play STT-SNG at times as well... & there's been periods where I played mostly Turbo STT-SNG's... just not so much anymore cuz I'm not really into it).

    Reg. Speed MTT & Turbo MTT is a different thing. There's also many different structures just for 'reg.' speed MTT's (ie. 3000 chips to start with.. 5,000, etc... also 10min. blind levels.. some have 12min., some even have 15min... & some of the higher buyin ones have 20 &/or 30min. blinds. Basically, the deeper the stack & slower the blinds, the more 'play' there will be to the game. "more play" tends to be favourable to the 'better players' in the game (note that SCOOP tourneys have 10,000chip stacks & slow blinds too!... 888Poker has some 3,000 & 5,000 chipstack tourneys, even the $20buyin ones, with 15min. blinds!.. great structure!!!). Turbo MTT's are more typically 2,000chips (some are 3,000) and 5min. blinds. These aren't necessarily 'donkfests' or 'luckbox games'... they simply require a different skill set to play in them (ie. a good tourney player who isn't used to every playing a Turbo MTT might do crap in one.. simply because they're not used to needing to adapt to the changes & the changes one needs to make might not be the particular set of skills that they are used to using).

    Often you'll see SNG player transitioning over to become MTT players. GOOD Sng players will often be able to become Good TURBO MTT players for the simple fact that they already have a solid shove/fold game & are very used to playing on shallow stacks. The MTT-SNG players have even more experience in this as there's also ALOT of short-handed play in MTT-SNG (where table goes down to 7, before joining up with other tables and back at full 9playres) and alot of situations where there's a lot of raise/re-raise allin/fold type of play.

    hope that helps ya out a bit there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Abnormal View Post
    Did I mention that almost in the time of one of my longer post I could be at my card room. Now I just wish I could always win money there.

    Im gonna get back in the swing of online, cause I gotta get my odds stuff right in my head (check my odds thread or league thread as I made a cal tonight I thought was good but seem to be the odd one out LOL)

    ANy of yall wanna play to help ( iknow people like BEAN and Assistance and PO dont need much help but I do) maybe we could all set up a home game and then chit chat about the way some of yall handled hands and the way I played hands. I aint talking about make a fortune off each other but we could throw some low stakes for fun and for me learning

    I dunno Im just throwing up ideas I wanna be able to make money at my card room regularly but feel I could probably get my game tighter online, But I read the books it seems to make sense and then I do things totally the opposite. Well anyone on the site think about it, and maybe we could set it up, if we could discuss it later
    It's actually a good idea DanAbs. I've watched a few training vids on diff. training sites where they'd hold a series of tournaments with their members playing in them & then a couple of coaches would go thru all the hands one at a time, analyzing all the play. (all entrants would send in their handhistories so that all of the holecards could be included on an AutoReplayer that would play back the entire tournament). I've actually seen this done on 4 different sites (that I've watched),some of them having made quite a few of these.
    "BUT".. I'm not into playing, lol. Nah.. it's not so much i don't want to play, I just don't want to play the HomeGames on Stars. I think we could do something similiarly just by posting HandHistories here in the forum (from league games &/or any games).

    Wanted to say on here, how about we meet over in the HandAnalysis section of the forum & title the threads.. something like "DanAbs playin' the pokerzz" & then post a HH there & we'll each come & comment on it. I could post a few in there if you want to help get it started? (from 4king games or other games). Will include diff. stuff.. some will be 'tricky spots', 'trouble hands', 'getting max. value', 'avoiding traps', 'working on proper bet-sizing', 'Is this a shove here?', etc. etc. Meet you over there ok?
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    Hey PO. I just can't ever place in a turbo. Everytime I get my money in good, I either get outdrawn by garbage, or I get dominated by something better (my K-K with 10 BB's gets action from A-A). I just can't seem to make it the distance. I played a turbo MTT tonight.

    Here is the hand that took me out, from memory...
    I had Qh-Qx... I am MP, raise 4x BB.
    1 caller. Flop k-8-x, all hearts. All in wasn't quite pot size, I pushed. Dude check/called my all-in, on the flop.
    He flips over 8-10offsuit, no heart at all. He rivers an 8.
    I think he had a gutshot draw and the pair of 8's. He almost snap called my all-in. It was over half his stack to call.

    Dude called a 4x BB raise, in the BB I think, with 8-10 offsuit, flops middle or bottom pair (can't remember), with all hearts (he doesn't have a heart), and almost snap calls an all in, for over half his chips. Even if he thought I was bluffing, he couldn't beat much. This is just a stupid call IMHO. By the way, he was making really loose calls and raises for a while before this. I did not think he had me beat on the flop, and I was right. He proceeds to suck me out on the river.

    I was mildly irritated, but I just finished up my other tourney and it didn't even bother me. The other tourney was $3.00 + $0.30, minimum 5 tickets to a $20 + $2.00 tourney ticket. Of course, I make it on this tourney, for a ticket, not money.

    This is why I think turbos are full of lucky people. Yes, a good player can make a profit sometimes, but bad players also blow up all the time playing garbage and hitting the lotto on the river. Turbos (at least on bodog) are just full of gambling, inexperienced players, my opinion.

    PO, if you have a few tips for me to play better in turbos, please post them. Thanx. Peace.
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    Try google searching Tony Dunst's articles ("Bond18" on FTP).. "Things it took me awhile to learn about poker", > Playing Diff. stack sizes. It's not an MTT Turbo specific article or anything but this stuff is crucial for Turbos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poker Orifice View Post
    Try google searching Tony Dunst's articles ("Bond18" on FTP).. "Things it took me awhile to learn about poker", > Playing Diff. stack sizes. It's not an MTT Turbo specific article or anything but this stuff is crucial for Turbos.
    Ok thanx PO. Peace.

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