Texas Holdem Sit n Go Help

[Disturbed]

This is for a decent SitnGo like the $120 buy in 6 players turbo Sit n Go.

I figured at these buy-ins everybody plays tight and only a few times do you see somebody raising and betting and calling every hand.

So what happens is this:

You start with 1500, and unless you get AA and somebody gets KK or QQ this number doesnt quite change until the blinds are at 75/150.

At which point everybody "panics" and every hand you have an all-in and its AQ v/s 66 AK v/s JT AK v/s AQ AJ vs QJ.

and then blings become 100/200 and then ppl all in on anything because they become all short stacked.

Now I don't know why ppl do it, but apperantly they follow the strategy of I will hold my hand and play the best hands only, if that doesnt work, i will wait for the blinds to go up and I hope to get lucky.

With players like that on the table u really hope to get lucky and get the A7 not the A6 in the standoff when your short stacked.

How do you break this entire vicious cycle? Or is it meant to be this way?

[jacks_off4me]

hi disturbed.

well, i see its a 6 people sitandgo- entry 120$ 2 places paid right?
so as you say, you would expect people to play a good tight level of holdem, with the classic race all-ins between AQ'S and 33's. having said that, we dont know the bankroll these players are sitting on so its not neccesary that people will play the same way as defining it- "meant to be this way".

i personally believe in the stenght of just "limping", others believe in playing the "position" someone is playing only "top hands" and somebody might "overplay/overbluff" his flush draw and still there are players mastering these kinds of mini tournaments.

btw, a good expected ROI stands about 20% if i'm not wrong which off caurse shows that you can't win them all but can make money of them in the longer run.

i recommend some pro-tips on the FTP poker site. (instead of just copy pasting it here which is not allowed)

[Disturbed]

Originally Posted by jacks_off4me

hi disturbed.

well, i see its a 6 people sitandgo- entry 120$ 2 places paid right?
so as you say, you would expect people to play a good tight level of holdem, with the classic race all-ins between AQ'S and 33's. having said that, we dont know the bankroll these players are sitting on so its not neccesary that people will play the same way as defining it- "meant to be this way".

i personally believe in the stenght of just "limping", others believe in playing the "position" someone is playing only "top hands" and somebody might "overplay/overbluff" his flush draw and still there are players mastering these kinds of mini tournaments.

btw, a good expected ROI stands about 20% if i'm not wrong which off caurse shows that you can't win them all but can make money of them in the longer run.

i recommend some pro-tips on the FTP poker site. (instead of just copy pasting it here which is not allowed)

See my major problem is that everybody is waiting "unconciously" until the blinds go up and they hope to get good cards and hit them on the flop. But that is alot dependant on luck and I hate to be in these situations where 45 beats AK because we flopped a 4.

You think aggressive playing from the beginning and betting the hands is a good strategy in this case?

[GypsyTea]

This is for a decent SitnGo like the $120 buy in 6 players turbo Sit n Go.

I figured at these buy-ins everybody plays tight and only a few times do you see somebody raising and betting and calling every hand."Disturbed"


WRONG! ! !

sORRY mATE IT DON'T WORK LIKE THAT IT WORKS LIKE THIS:-

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aaGTaa:- I'm ALLIN

On behalf of The United States Government and My self, we would both like to say Have a Nice Day Yall!

GT

[GypsyTea]

OBTW I know people like Ram Vaswani, who will sit in a cash ring game with 40K and play every hand!

Its all about BANKROLL Management ( Ram hasnt got any) jk Big Guy NOT!

GT

[jacks_off4me]

Originally Posted by jacks_off4me

hi disturbed.

i recommend some pro-tips on the FTP poker site. (instead of just copy pasting it here which is not allowed)

dont like to copy paste and there's an example

have you read my friend? ot are you just keep sticking with your same thought only in different words? come on mate i'm taking you serious so why wont you listen?

there is no "they" till you establish your "I" ie disturbed type of play. how will you establish that stable "i"? by reading some pro tips for the topic you need in this case sitandgo.

then, go to the tables and experience what you just read about, live. then again, ang again (over a term my friend) untill youll know exactly if you lost for bad play or bad luck. then you'll start notice how "they" play and will be able to change your style/change gears accordind to the table or playing a speciffic person (usually your neighbours, ie blind posters)

you will know how to master the bubble, you will know how to play heads up! which is a very important chapter for a real winner, you will know when to bluff, when to overbet, wheb to steal and when to risk.

i'm sorry if the language is agressive, you know me already but i really want to help you

obtw did DmMIkkel turned 21 already? one of the best sng players in the world already, at his young age.

[Disturbed]

Originally Posted by jacks_off4me

dont like to copy paste and there's an example

have you read my friend? ot are you just keep sticking with your same thought only in different words? come on mate i'm taking you serious so why wont you listen?

there is no "they" till you establish your "I" ie disturbed type of play. how will you establish that stable "i"? by reading some pro tips for the topic you need in this case sitandgo.

then, go to the tables and experience what you just read about, live. then again, ang again (over a term my friend) untill youll know exactly if you lost for bad play or bad luck. then you'll start notice how "they" play and will be able to change your style/change gears accordind to the table or playing a speciffic person (usually your neighbours, ie blind posters)

you will know how to master the bubble, you will know how to play heads up! which is a very important chapter for a real winner, you will know when to bluff, when to overbet, wheb to steal and when to risk.

i'm sorry if the language is agressive, you know me already but i really want to help you

obtw did DmMIkkel turned 21 already? one of the best sng players in the world already, at his young age.

ok boss, reading. will keep you updated on my findings. and no I didnt stick with my same thoughts, just didnt see the "all pro tips buttons" and saw only the recent ones so I thought you were halucinating. Its alright now

[Disturbed]

Originally Posted by Disturbed

ok boss, reading. will keep you updated on my findings. and
no I didnt stick with my same thoughts, just didnt see the "all pro tips buttons" and saw only the recent ones so I thought you were halucinating. Its alright now

Alright, I read all the tips relating to SNGs and several more about tourneys and playing over cards and playing blinds.

I could not find something that answers my question. Actually a couple of tips identified the same issue that I am talking about but none seem to give a solution.

On the side, some tips were awesome, others were just rewrites and stuff you find in texas holdem for dummies.

In any case, thank you for those, but now that I took your help seriously where exactly is the answer to my question?

[NUCKING_FUTS_4]

Originally Posted by Disturbed

This is for a decent SitnGo like the $120 buy in 6 players turbo Sit n Go.

I figured at these buy-ins everybody plays tight and only a few times do you see somebody raising and betting and calling every hand.

So what happens is this:

You start with 1500, and unless you get AA and somebody gets KK or QQ this number doesnt quite change until the blinds are at 75/150.

At which point everybody "panics" and every hand you have an all-in and its AQ v/s 66 AK v/s JT AK v/s AQ AJ vs QJ.

and then blings become 100/200 and then ppl all in on anything because they become all short stacked.

Now I don't know why ppl do it, but apperantly they follow the strategy of I will hold my hand and play the best hands only, if that doesnt work, i will wait for the blinds to go up and I hope to get lucky.

With players like that on the table u really hope to get lucky and get the A7 not the A6 in the standoff when your short stacked.

How do you break this entire vicious cycle? Or is it meant to be this way?

Your original question

You have yet again used a blanket strategy to formulate your play. Folding everything but your good hands. Doesn't matter the type of table your playing you've already shown this to be a loosing startegy in general terms. If you negate the factors in your environment whenever, wherever you play you're decision making will be less than perfect. I guess what gets beyond the "average/general" in all of the situations that you have described is the more information you can access and incorporate into your decision making processes the more correct a decision you will make.

As regards SNG Turbo shorthanded, I don't play them. Some say a looser opening strategy and aggressive play are the key in this type of game. Even that is general. If everyone played this strategy, then aggression + aggression would make for a lot of sore heads and busted monitors/mice.

[jacks_off4me]

Originally Posted by Disturbed

This is for a decent SitnGo like the $120 buy in 6 players turbo Sit n Go.

I figured at these buy-ins everybody plays tight and only a few times do you see somebody raising and betting and calling every hand.

So what happens is this:

You start with 1500, and unless you get AA and somebody gets KK or QQ this number doesnt quite change until the blinds are at 75/150.- agree with this. unless you played some of them and have notes on them (every note is usefull imo). theres nothing in those little starting blinds, you are looking to finish good not to start good

At which point everybody "panics" and every hand you have an all-in and its AQ v/s 66 AK v/s JT AK v/s AQ AJ vs QJ. if you'll start panicing, the good players will notice that. by panicing you mean that you will limp/min raise aj aq off and if there will be a raise you will push? to "hope" you are there against a pair/kj? so i'll just get myself ready with AK and take all your chips.

at this stage you are probably not 6 anymore and your stacks are different. look for that player who is just bubbling, and look if the chipleader iss looser to double you up.

play from position to get to see what your opponents are doing. if the flop brings an ace and you dont have it- bet if the opponent checked to you. now, you may "represent" all kinds of different hands on flops which seem dead..

your table image/your opponents image plays big part now. the those "panic" boys are spotted by better players and usually its just a matter of time till they get caught- again not by gambling. you will see many mistakes the players are doing.


and then blings become 100/200 and then ppl all in on anything because they become all short stacked.

Now I don't know why ppl do it, but apperantly they follow the strategy of I will hold my hand and play the best hands only, if that doesnt work, i will wait for the blinds to go up and I hope to get lucky. yes. and in the meantime you cant sit there waiting cause the blinds will eat you. if you are sitting on a decent stack though, be ready to make more all-in calls with less better cards. 1. if you hit he is out. almost every hand has at least 25% against any hand and its the worst scenario- in a better scenario you will be 40/60 so your chipstack must come/blend with your decisions of makind a calculated call.
2. you will know (and they will) who goes all-in on ace high, who is just stealing and they will know you are not a fish who is just sitting on a big stack waiting to see others knock each other hence next time their calculation will be different while blinds are eating their stacks.


With players like that on the table u really hope to get lucky and get the A7 not the A6 in the standoff when your short stacked.

How do you break this entire vicious cycle? Or is it meant to be this way?

any particular sites you play at?