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    Default US law & online poker - Dan Burns

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    An open letter to the U.S. Senate from Dan Burns
    New Jersey newspaper columnist, and avid online poker player Dan Burns has written an open letter to our U.S. Senate.



    I encourage everyone to pass this along not only to their U.S. Senators, but also friends and family. Online poker affiliates and players are not criminals.



    The article below was written by New Jersey newspaper columnist and avid online poker player Dan Brown. This is probably on of the best articles I have read yet in respect to the impending prohibition of online gambling.

    Not only do our senators need to be informed that a prohibition of internet gambling is an assault of our civil liberties, the rest of America and the world needs to know as well. I encourage each and every one of you to send this link to everyone you know, regardless if they play online poker or not.

    The hypocrisy of the U.S. government wanting to ban online poker, but allow gambling on lotteries and horse racing is even more alarming. Gambling is not evil, it is an American pastime.


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    A Ban on Internet Gambling Is A Ban On Freedom
    By Dan Burns


    The recent actions of the U.S. House of Representatives have convinced me that 317 of our congressmen need a refresher course in civics.

    Mr. and Mrs. American politician, your first job as legislators is to protect the rights of American citizens. Your second job is to make laws that help run the country. Once again, protection of rights comes first, all other business comes second.

    The problem — as illustrated by the House passing HR-4411 on July 10 by a vote of 317 to 93 — is the typical American politician considers safety, social order and many other factors to be more important than their constituents’ civil liberties. Our liberty has declined in status from the supreme ideal this nation was founded on to something that is now a secondary consideration.

    HR-4411, known as the Unlawful Internet Gambling Act, aims to block American citizens’ access to certain online gambling Web sites. Access to online poker rooms and casinos would be restricted, and those sites would be unable to receive payments from U.S. banks and credit card companies. Online wagering on horse races, fantasy sports and certain state-run lotteries would not be affected.

    The bill is sponsored by Congressmen Robert Goodlatte, R-Virginia, and Jim Leach, R-Iowa. They claim Internet betting can be so addictive that people can lose their life savings making wagers online. They also claim it is too easy for minors to make bets on the Internet.

    Those points are well-taken and should be considered by parents everywhere, but they’re not sufficient evidence to ban online casinos.


    You don’t ban something 99 percent of people enjoy because 1 percent of the people who use it have a problem with it. That’s not democracy, is it? Prohibition of alcohol didn’t work. Burning books didn’t work. Banning online gambling is not going to work.

    And are we to believe all of the bad things legislators point out about online gambling – the addiction, the handful of people who allegedly launder money through online casinos, etc. – don’t apply to online horse wagering? Most of the people I know who make bets on horse races online (which they will never get a chance to even see, by the way) are more compulsive than the dozens of people I know who like to play a little $2/$4 hold’em before they go to bed.

    This idea of legislating morality has got to stop. Americans might look to the government to protect them from foreign invaders, but they certainly don’t need the government to protect them from themselves. What we do in our own home, with our own money, in our own free time is our business and nobody else’s.

    When I was learning the ins and outs of America’s two-party system in high school, I learned the Republican Party advocated a “hands off” approach to governance and was in favor of small government. What has happened to them? Now they feel they have to pass laws protecting us from ourselves and deciding how we can spend our money.

    If you want to protect me, please begin by protecting my civil liberties. Once you’re sure they are secure, then by all means, legislate away.

    As you might have guessed by now, I’m an avid Internet poker player. I am one of thousands of American residents who treat online poker as a part-time job. Any attempt to ban online poker would rob me and my colleagues of something our founding fathers called an “unalienable right” endowed by our creator, which is the pursuit of happiness. Indeed, the financial plans of many young Americans rely on their access to online poker in the next few decades.

    I know some of you might be saying, “You’ve got to be kidding me. Your financial goals rely on poker?” Well, they do.

    Imagine being a talented rock musician whose band is about to make it big when your government decides to outlaw rock music. Rock music gets people too excited, the government reasons. Studies have shown many violent crimes occur right after rock concerts, and teenagers who take drugs like to listen to rock music while they’re getting high. Some people, including men and women with families, spend hundreds of dollars a month on rock concerts and albums, they say. That’s money that could be spent on productive things.

    This fictional government makes a good case. I guess we should outlaw rock music. No fame and fortune for you.

    There is a negative side to every creature, commodity and concept in the world. It’s very easy to make a convincing case to ban anything if you choose to focus on the horror stories. Things such as guns and alcohol, for example, destroy thousands of lives more than online gambling every year, yet they remain perfectly legal.

    Banning online gambling is not the answer to solving the problems that arise from it, but neither is leaving things the way they are.

    The United States should pass legislation legalizing online gambling, but requiring operators to set up an office within the country. Then regulate the industry and force the owners to pay taxes, taxes, taxes and more taxes. Tax the hell out of them. They’ll pay it, because legal status and an image of legitimacy will be good for business.

    This issue is in the Senate’s hands now. Senators everywhere, particularly my senators, Sen. Robert Menendez, D-NJ, and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-NJ, I encourage you to speak out against this bill on the Senate floor. My congressman Mike Ferguson, R-NJ, did not agree with me, but I’m hoping you will.

    If you decide to vote in favor of the Senate’s version of HR-4411, then please do me one favor. Attach an amendment to the bill calling for the discontinuation of “the land of the free” as one of our country’s mottos, because that phrase would no longer be applicable.

    Dan Burns is the co-founder of Satellitewinner.com, a website dedicated to strategy for Poker Satellites He can be reached at Dan@satellitewinner.com.
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    Very Awesome article!
    Thanks - Can I post this one a couple of other forums? I suppose I should email the author?
    Thanks,
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    There is another thread with a lot of related info I posted in:
    See General Chat Thread at:
    http://www.4kingpoker.com/showthread...=3297#post3297
    I included replies from Poker Stars, Washington Times Article and how to voice your opinion and contact congress.

    Here is a response from a Michigan member of the house.
    If he were to run for president in 2008 we might be able to get him 23 million votes by poker players. This was an awesome response.


    Dear XXXX:

    Thank you for your comments concerning legislation to outlaw
    Internet gaming and sports betting. I appreciate hearing from you.

    On July 11, 2006 the House of Representatives passed H.R. 4411
    by a vote of 317-93. I voted against this legislation. H.R. 4411 would
    seek to limit the access to gambling on the Internet by forbidding banks
    and other financial institutions from processing the wire transactions of
    Internet gambling customers.

    I voted against this legislation because I believe that the bill was
    poorly written, favored some activities over others, and tried to overly
    regulate the free choice of adults. First, the legislation that passed the
    House, while banning wire transactions for poker or sports books would
    allow the same transactions to occur for horse or dog racing. Secondly,
    the legislation would not end Internet gaming, instead it would likely
    shift the activity to fly-by-night operators who would likely engage in
    fraud or identity theft. Finally, I have a fundamental problem with the
    government dictating to adults what they should or should not be
    engaged in. The bill now will move to the Senate where its passage is
    much less clear.

    Again, thank you for being in touch. For news on current federal
    legislative issues, please visit my website at www.house.gov/dingell; you
    can also sign up there to receive my e-newsletter. In the meantime,
    please do not hesitate to contact me again if I may be of assistance with
    this or any other matter of concern.

    With every good wish,

    Sincerely yours,


    John D. Dingell
    Member of Congress

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    http://www.vote.com/vote/60396619/index.phtml
    Last edited by JimG; 07-31-2006 at 09:34 PM.

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    I know that they are closing american accounts on some poker sites. I play on about 30 rooms and 3 have closed my account simply because I live in the USA. If you use ewallets such as firepay and neteller I think even if they ban bank transfers from poker sites you could still use these ewallets as a way to manage funds because the funds are switching hands. So it doesnt look to the bank like the money is coming from a gambling site. I also should recommend that US players restrict themselves to playing larger networks like PRIMA, PLAYTECH and the ONGAME network. This definatly sucks and I do think eventually our governmet will take this away from us.

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    Amsterdam here i come!
    I mean THEY let anything go right??
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    I did not think I would ever vote libertarian but this year I am 100% for sure.

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    i to have had to close 2 accounts. one of them told me that it was just 7 states, of course mine was one of them.

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    Hmmm - sorry, I have ADD and that article is too long for me to read!! Can someone please clear up what is going to happen to internet gambling now that the Senate has passed the bill, see this article:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...093000024.html

    What now? Time to cash out all my accounts or what?

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    Default US bill NOT a ban on online poker

    hi all

    Will have more info on the gambling bill which was attached to another bill in the US which was guaranteed to go through

    At this stage I must point out that the bill that has past so far is NOT that's NOT a ban on online poker

    The bill is basically supposed to restrict / stop credit card and banking transactions for online gambling - which is NOT the same as a ban on online poker

    This IS an important distinction and the feedback within the poker affiliate community and business is .... DONT PANIC

    Neteller is still a legitimate way to fund money to and from poker sites

    This bill does NOT ban online poker - ok it may make it a bit more difficult and some funding options may go - but this is NOT the same thing

    We are waiting for more offical responses from the poker rooms themselves but it is important that people do not over react and make out this is a ban when clearly in legal terms it is NOT

    The view across the poker industry seems to be - US players are NOT breaking the law by playing poker online

    Will have more info and discussion over the next few days

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    i didn't read the full details of the story, but it seems like their just slipping the online gambling stuff in to avoid actually having to get people to approve it.

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