Learning from the 4KSOP

[illphillllllll]

logan i like that you posted the hand for discussion. 5th street was the crucial point of the hand although i agree you should have folded 4th, or preflop possibly after jb limps and a low card to act after you. me and jb also had our up cards thrown out by 2 other players which benefits us. 5th street my raise from behind did put you in a tough spot, personally the descision here to call or raise would depend on stack size imo. if i was shortstacked and felt pot commited then i reraise and hope my opponent bricks 2 cards, if sitting comfortably i think calling and seeing 6th street would be the better play.

[Logan]

Thanks for the answer Phil.

To tell the true i will fold if some one raise pre, but because no one raise even with JB there it will cost only 100 and have a good stack at the time, maybe if do not have the Ace and have other low card instead will fold, but for 100 calling do not look that bad at the time, probably frosty think the same calling with J but with good stack.

in 3rd street you only call with 3 people already there (one with J), so really was thinking you do not have all 3 low cards and thats why not raise there.

in 4th, JB get a 9, i get a 8 and both got 9high hand at the time, you get a 2 but can´t be sure if you got 2 lower cards or not in facedown cards because the no raise pre.

So in 5th JB get another 9 wich put me ahead with the 10, you get a K and because of the no raise pre still think i am way ahead, looking now i think was a big mistake check there by my part in 5th, because after check i can´t know if you bet because i check and JB get other 9 or because you have 4 lower cards, so in here was another mistake.

Also i think was wrong in compare this spot with a Holdem board.

At the momment i think that even if you got A-2-3-4-K was just a draw, and with 2 cards to come was like if in holdem you got a flush draw in flop, 2 cards to come and you bet, then i know have the best hand at the time, but if you make your draw will beat me, so what i do?, just call and see if you make your draw?, or raise to increase the cost for your draw?, so i try to raise there in 5th because that way increase the cost to make your draw, if i only call there, even if you do not make your hand in 6th, next street still you have chance, so if no raise in 5th then give you a cheaper chance to go until 7th street card, so was thinking that maybe if i raise increase the cost for you and if not hit in 6th you will let it go.

But i miss the point that if i raise and you do hit then i still need to fold, so probably yes, was better just call you in 5th and see 6th, or bet in first place, then fold if you hit and at least will save 800 chips.

NH, good learning hand.